• Kraiden@piefed.social
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    Even if you’re talking about chicken eggs specifically it’s still the egg first. The first chicken egg would have been laid by a proto chicken

  • Dharma Curious (he/him)@slrpnk.net
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    This is why I say a much more interesting question is what came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?

    It entirely depends on your definition of a chicken egg. Is a chicken egg an egg that hatches a chicken, or an egg that is laid by a chicken? If it is an egg that hatches a chicken then the chicken egg came first, but if it is an egg that is laid by a chicken then the chicken came first

    • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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      That’s a language-dependent ambiguity; this sort of “noun¹ noun²” construction in English is actually rather vague, and it can be used multiple ways:

      • material - e.g. fish fillet (the fillet is made of fish)
      • purpose - e.g. fish knife (the knife is made to handle fish)
      • destination - e.g. fish food (the food goes to the fish)
      • inalienable possession - e.g. fish tail (the tail belongs to the fish, and removing it means removing part of the fish)
      • alienable possession - e.g. fish bowl (the bowl “belongs” to the fish, but you could give it another bowl)
      • etc.

      As such I believe that in at least some languages it’s probably clear if you refer to chicken egg as “an egg coming from a chicken” or “an egg a chicken is born from”. Not that they’re going to use it with this expression though.

      For reference. @cuerdo@lemmy.world used as an example “my penis”:

      If I say “my penis”, it is likelier that I am talking about the one attached to me rather than the one I bought in the market.

      In Nahuatl both would be distinguished: you’d call the one to you “notepollo” (inalienable possession), and the one you bought “notepol” (alienable possession). (Note: “no-” for the first person. For someone else’s dick use “mo-” when speaking with the person, i- when talking about them.)

      Just language things, I guess.

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      You cannot have a chicken without a chicken egg. And the egg comes first.

      It’s the paradox of the heap

      At some point the pre-chicken will lay a chicken egg and a chicken will be born

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      If I say “my penis”, it is likelier that I am talking about the one attached to me rather than the one I bought in the market.

  • [deleted]@piefed.world
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    A chicken egg came before the chicken because it is the same animal and the egg stage is earlier than the adult stage.

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        Proto-chicken>chicken>eschato-chicken

        Chickens have “evolved” in recent years more than recent centuries

        We just keep the chicken name but at what point do they become a different animal.

        Evolution is slow and has no definite point in time of “First official example of a 2000s definition of a chicken”

        It’s similar to the paradox of the heap.

        Of course a “chicken” layed the first chicken egg. But if we called that “chicken” a chicken then her egg would be the first chicken egg. Not the one she just layed.

      • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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        if you want something crazier, look into ring species. where different species of animals have all their in-between species still alive and mate with each other, but the ones at the extremes cant mate with each other

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    I’ve always understood this debate as a veiled religious thing. Chicken = religion, god creates chickens; or Egg = science, animals are products of evolution, and thus naturally the egg must come first.

    • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works
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      Idk who the ten people that upvoted this are but godamnit

      Edit: if you can see these edits, and how much I can’t handle sentence structure, and you are god, and not an egg, pls forgive me