• redlemace@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    A definitive break in transatlantic security relations would be a catastrophe, as it would likely mark the end of NATO as the most successful security alliance in history.

    Yes please, do break it up!

    1. USA has become so unreliable, we’ve lost all trust and respect.
    2. (Re)build something with democratic voting like 50%+1. (Or 75% if you have to) but no unanimous or veto’s. Those makes you dead in the waters
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      50%+1 isn’t democratic voting though, it’s tyranny of the majority.

      Consensus is democracy, especially when it comes to deciding things like war, sending millions to their deaths.

      For the often cited example of Hungary holding up the EU, the proper response is to discuss removing them from the group. If that leads nowhere then the bad faith member must be immediately removed. Not keep them in the group, but consistently overrule them because 51% of the group decided so.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

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      NATO doesn’t need a breakup it just needs to stop relying on the US. All the other countries can just pretend the US aren’t there until a sane administration comes to power there.

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        5 days ago

        pretend the US aren’t there

        impossible, because: a) all voting must be unanimous b) the us has a veto

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          impossible

          No.

          a) all voting must be unanimous b) the us has a veto

          So? That just means that NATO-labelled missions need US consent. All other countries could just keep do what they do without labeling it “NATO”. Not really that hard of a concept to grasp.