• BillyClark@piefed.social
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    22 hours ago

    One of the many fundamental problems with ICE is that they seem to have little to no training.

    Police with no training should not be allowed to perform traffic stops or to arrest people. Or really to interact with the public at all.

    One of the ICE failings we’ve seen over and over is how they needlessly escalate situations. If you pull someone over and they flee, if you pursue them, you have to consider the danger to others. Sometimes you just have to let them go and figure out how to pick them up at a later time when it is less dangerous.

    Yes, it makes policing more complicated, but if police are escalating situations and making things more dangerous, that’s an even larger problem.

    ICE has such a bad reputation now that I think people will flee at a much higher rate. Their lack of training is part of the reason they’re causing this mess, and if they want to keep pulling people over, they’re going to need massive amounts of training to learn to do it correctly. Even more than normal police because the situation today is what it is.

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      22 hours ago

      The people who shot Good and Pretti each had over 8 years experience; iirc, one had 12 years on the job. That’s not lack of training, that’s deliberate institutional oppression, and it cannot be reformed.

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        22 hours ago

        Like I said, ICE has many fundamental problems.

        I don’t disagree with your assessment, but experience is not the same as training, and there is also a continuing need for training, even for experienced people.

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          19 hours ago

          A well-trained squadron of white supremacist private police whose only function is to sow the wrath of an insane tyrant into cities which he simultaneously governs and deems his enemy would solve exactly zero problems.

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    24 hours ago

    Is St. Paul more conservative than Minneapolis?

    I assume ICE has operations in both cities, but you mostly only hear about the protests and pushback in Minneapolis.

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      24 hours ago

      They’re wealthier and whiter on average so ICE probably isn’t starting shit over there as often, but it’s my understanding that tons of people from St Paul are going to Minneapolis on the regular to do mutual aid stuff

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        10 hours ago

        You’d think but ICE has been really active in the Midway neighborhood of St Paul and recently they’re in the suburbs due to less housing density so less resistance when they do show up.