I’m not convinced that the version of ASPD I believe in is the mainstream one.
The mainstream perception is cunning manipulators worming their way into the echelons of high society so they can abuse people in their secret sex dungeon, after a childhood of burning ants and torturing squirrels. You know, Peter Wiggin.
What I see are working class folks whose ability to trust others has been worn away by parental abuse, such that concepts of working with others for the common benefit seem like some kind of trick to exploit or weaken them, at least on an instinctive level. People who do not feel that natural pull to get along with others around them, to soften disagreements, to drift towards the consensus opinion. People who would look at a cop, and would not instinctively see the weight of all society looming within this person as you and I would, not at first, but would instead see one individual and upon first instinct would use violence to overcome this obstacle, and would need to consciously remind themself that angering this one asshole has consequences. Someone who does not see the invisible fabric of society suffusing everyone around them, not due to a neurological difference, but due to a developmental missed milestone.
Many of the same symptoms as NPD, but where I am hyperaware of group loyalties and see these social bonds as potential threats, people with ASPD are AFAIK hypoaware of group loyalties and see individuals as potential threats. That’s just the impression I have from the few ASPD-identifying people I’ve known.
Hmm. I think maybe I have a fundamental misunderstanding of anarcho-antirealism? I’d suspect a large theoretical overlap between the former and illegalism, egoism, critical/anti-psychiatry, etc, but I’m surprised to see that we seem to have a fundamental difference of perspective here, on a narrow subject that manages to encapsulate all of the above
Maybe it’s my tankie bone telling me that those ASPD-identifying people don’t know what’s really in their own self interest. You respect their perspective as their reality (and demonstrate that by adopting it? or no?), whereas I would, at most, agree to disagree with those people. The latter, to me, feels antirealist, but I can see how this maybe isn’t in the true spirit of anarcho-antirealism.
I’m curious what You think about this
(2 narcissists try to determine who’s right: impossible edition)
I have not lived with ASPD. They have. Thus, they have access to data I will never have. For that reason, I extend a certain amount of trust in their conclusions. I do the same with many other minority stati I will never have.
Additionally, consider all of the political systems in the world that are smaller than states and capital. Like families, recreational clubs, communes. People with ASPD have difficulty participating in those, too.
I’m not convinced that the version of ASPD I believe in is the mainstream one.
The mainstream perception is cunning manipulators worming their way into the echelons of high society so they can abuse people in their secret sex dungeon, after a childhood of burning ants and torturing squirrels. You know, Peter Wiggin.
What I see are working class folks whose ability to trust others has been worn away by parental abuse, such that concepts of working with others for the common benefit seem like some kind of trick to exploit or weaken them, at least on an instinctive level. People who do not feel that natural pull to get along with others around them, to soften disagreements, to drift towards the consensus opinion. People who would look at a cop, and would not instinctively see the weight of all society looming within this person as you and I would, not at first, but would instead see one individual and upon first instinct would use violence to overcome this obstacle, and would need to consciously remind themself that angering this one asshole has consequences. Someone who does not see the invisible fabric of society suffusing everyone around them, not due to a neurological difference, but due to a developmental missed milestone.
Many of the same symptoms as NPD, but where I am hyperaware of group loyalties and see these social bonds as potential threats, people with ASPD are AFAIK hypoaware of group loyalties and see individuals as potential threats. That’s just the impression I have from the few ASPD-identifying people I’ve known.
Hmm. I think maybe I have a fundamental misunderstanding of anarcho-antirealism? I’d suspect a large theoretical overlap between the former and illegalism, egoism, critical/anti-psychiatry, etc, but I’m surprised to see that we seem to have a fundamental difference of perspective here, on a narrow subject that manages to encapsulate all of the above
Maybe it’s my tankie bone telling me that those ASPD-identifying people don’t know what’s really in their own self interest. You respect their perspective as their reality (and demonstrate that by adopting it? or no?), whereas I would, at most, agree to disagree with those people. The latter, to me, feels antirealist, but I can see how this maybe isn’t in the true spirit of anarcho-antirealism.
I’m curious what You think about this
(2 narcissists try to determine who’s right: impossible edition)
I have not lived with ASPD. They have. Thus, they have access to data I will never have. For that reason, I extend a certain amount of trust in their conclusions. I do the same with many other minority stati I will never have.
Additionally, consider all of the political systems in the world that are smaller than states and capital. Like families, recreational clubs, communes. People with ASPD have difficulty participating in those, too.