• Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Decent cops seem to be in very short supply, not just in the US. What pisses me off most about this shit is that Biden sat on this stuff for four years without doing anything.

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      8 hours ago

      The investigations were open throughout Biden’s term: legally Biden could not release them. Trump closed them himself, probably thinking he could keep them hidden anyway, until some congresspeople with spine crossed the aisle to make sure he couldn’t.

      So if you wanna get pissed off at someone, remember that Epstein remained a repeat, habitual sexual offender against children after his sentence ended. He never stopped offending. He also never stopped visiting his Florida home in Palm Beach.

      Guess who was Florida AG from 2011 to 2019 and COULD have done something about him, whose actual job it was to do something about him, but did not? Pam Bondi. Where is your ire for her?

      Or for Alexander Acosta, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida that worked hand in hand with Alan Dershowitz and the rest of Epstein’s attorney’s to boil all his crimes down into one offense and give immunity to his unnamed co-conspirators? How has he not made it onto your shit list?

      These are not secrets. These people are not hidden. Their roles in keeping Epstein out of jail are well known, and there are others too. But you blame Biden? The ONE guy who legally could not release the files without closing all the related investigations?

      I will never understand people who claim to be righteously angry at the exact individuals who had nothing to do with what they’re angry about. If it’s worth expending the energy of rage on, it’s worth learning the bare facts of who is actually responsible.


      EDITED to add: The survivors are now blaming Pam Bondi BY NAME as someone who is continuing to keep the truth from coming out, a high-level individual in government with both access and power who is actively working to keep this evidence from coming forward. Right now. Today.

      Or to put it another way, they’re not blaming a guy who isn’t even president anymore; they’re blaming the primary person suppressing the truth TODAY, who has set her entire agency with fulfilling the same task.

      Which begs the obvious question: Why aren’t YOU doing the same?

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        Maybe Trump wanted to become the President so bad this time because he knew that the investigation was closing in on him. He was probably also egged on and helped by his other powerful bedfellows because they knew that Trump was their only chance.

        But the Biden government should have put all the foot to the pedal knowing this! God, what a missed opportunity for America to see Kamala Harris as their President. No joke, American missed its wonderful opportunity and so did the world.

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        20 hours ago

        So why didn’t all these investigations lead to any indictments in four years? You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but the Biden administration had a chance to clean up the whole pigsty and did absolutely fucking nothing.

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          So why didn’t all these investigations lead to any indictments in four years?

          You’re so intent on it all being Biden’s personal fault that you are completely ignoring those who are actually guilty. Who needs “sugarcoating” when the truth alone suffices? It had nothing to do with Biden. There’s more than enough guilt to go around.

          Did you even look up Pam Bondi, or Alexander Acosta? I gave you their names. What about Marie Villefana or Barry Krischer? Do you know who they are? They were the ones who were actually stalling investigations, in part by keeping them open to freeze all the evidence, duh. You act like you have no idea how any of this works – except Biden, and he’s absolutely the only person involved!

          There’s nothing like the stink of willful ignorance to start a day. It’s not a president’s job to start, stop, or run criminal investigations. The US Constitution is very clear on this, even if you are not. The executive and judicial are two entirely different branches of government, and presidents until now did NOT interfere in that process. If needed they called on the DoJ to do it, and went through the courts, because running the judicial is not a president’s job.

          Except Biden! Biden alone is guilty! Biden does everything and nothing, everywhere and at all times, and never! He’s like Schroedinger’s Satan to you, lol.

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            17 hours ago

            By Biden I mean the Biden administration. He was the head of the administration and he’s ultimately responsible for its failures. And I’m very sure such major strategic decisions were run past him. And if they weren’t that’s even more of a failure.

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              Lol, no. He wasn’t even president when Epstein was alive, and what got Epstein busted was happening at the STATE level.

              I’m very sure

              That’s just you, and you’re confidently incorrect.

              State investigators do NOT run their major strategic decisions by the federal.

              Do you . . . do you really think that county attorneys or even state AGs are supposed to run their major strategic decisions past the US president? Oh, yeah. To quote The Big Lebowski, they’ll get right on that, lol.

              And if they weren’t that’s even more of a failure.

              No, that’s the structure working the way it’s supposed to work. It’s your personal agenda that is the failure here.

              I don’t know what fantasy country you’re talking about where all this should have happened, but it’s not the US.

              No one writing in good faith works as hard as you are trying to deflect blame from those actually guilty. Blocking you now, because frankly I never want to read another word you have to say.

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            No, he really doesn’t. What he has is a willful and profound ignorance of the separations of US government, our constitution, and how until now, no president took it upon himself to throw out the constitutional divisions of government and try to run all three branches, including the judicial, which includes criminal investigation and prosecution at the federal level. Federal, not state.

            Biden literally had nothing to do with any of it, except being president at the time.

            Why are you so insistent on blaming Biden, the president of the country, for not interfering in state level investigations?

            Why are you so intent on looking away from those who were and are actually guilty of stalling investigations and using their positions to protect pedophiles?

            Why are you both working so hard to point fingers anywhere except at those who actually worked to cover these crimes and keep them covered, and still are?

            You know, it almost seems like you aren’t really interested nearly as much in bringing the real perps to justice as you are in playing a game of squirrel to take the blame off of those who are STILL in power and STILL working to cover and defend these crimes.

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              17 hours ago

              “hey guys, I know we’re saying that Trump is an existential threat to the US, but leaking documents to stop him would violate norms. So we won’t. We’ll just blame the left when we lose.”

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                leaking documents to stop him would violate norms.

                You have to have direct access to documents to leak them. Not only is a president separated from access to the products of a criminal investigation by the separation of powers at the federal level, in Epstein’s case he was also separated by the division between federal and state. And in Biden’s case, he was separated from that kind of meddling by his own respect for the constitution, which forbids it unequivocally.

                Also, investigators who are genuinely working to bring justice do not use their investigations as political footballs, they use them to bring justice to the accused.

                You should really just make up your mind: do you want pedos busted, or protected? Because what you are suggesting, “leaking documents” to stop the president, does not help honest investigators get pedos into jail. It stops them cold when defense lawyers bring that sort of prosecutorial misconduct to the judge.

                But hey, keep pointing your finger at everyone but those actually guilty. That should work really well to keep billionaire pedos out of prison. After all, it has so far.

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                  7 hours ago

                  Thanks for reassuring us there’s no point to electing Democrats to stop the GOP agenda or politicians.

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                    Thanks for reassuring us there’s no point to electing Democrats to stop the GOP agenda or politicians.

                    Funny how you don’t blame the GOP for the GOP agenda. You can take that same “look anywhere else but at the guilty” deflection horseshit to someone else.

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              You misunderstood me. I am not the least blaming Biden government for being complicit and not releasing the files. What I am saying is that they could have expedited the process knowing that there is a looming danger of Trump becoming the president and doing all the fuckery he is doing right about know.

              I absolutely know that his hands were tied, and that his regime was too ethical to not interfere in the matter. They could have been less so - so that justice could have been served. But, yes - that would have punched holes in litigating the wrong doers, and probably could have gotten off on technicalities.

              I guess - damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

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                I did indeed misunderstand you. And as someone who is 100% on the side of the survivors, because there is history here – a specific user repeatedly pointing to an out-of-office president for what he could not legally have done anyway, instead of ever lifting a finger to accuse those actually doing the coverup even now, today – I see that I massively overreacted to your own statement.

                I usually reply with more attention, but honestly I just got tired of it and snapped. My apologies. Your calm explanation is appreciated. Thank you.

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      I bet the evidence was purposely gathered in a way that it wouldn’t be admissible I court.