That would itself be enough to make fun of current events. But no, I was referring to the excessive wealth and material security members of the EU enjoy as a result of their ongoing colonialism. The EU was founded to safeguard the capitalistic interests of its wealthiest members and it operates in the best interest of those members. Corporations protected by its legal and economic framework continue the extractive capitalism Europeans have been engaging in for half a millennium. They overfish off the coasts of poorer – almost always formerly occupied – states, enforce mining and other resource extraction policies with the intent to push the environmental impact of their system onto the indigenous peoples in those nations, use their international legal system to pressure uncooperative global-south states into compliance, create refugee crises then commit genocide against refugees. Sometimes they even explicitly and overtly join in on US military occupation of these states in their countless military cooperation policies or straight up just committing their soldiers directly to invasion such as in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, you can’t act like you don’t know about how the EU has propped up the genocidal Israeli regime in Palestine after over two years of massive public demonstrations in the EU to challenge their state compliance.
Don’t even try to play stupid about whether this is the case, because I know for sure that you know about the Danish overseas territory primarily populated by the Inuit: Greenland.
You sitting here – in the wealth generated by all of this – and acting like youre a victim for something some vague, living ancestor did is itself a means to enact this colonialism. If the EU is in danger, good. It has to end like every empire does.
Your state will turn its violence inward before it prioritizes you over the colonialism.
I mean, I don’t necessarily disagree with your points.
But why aren’t we allowed to be upset about people trying to do bad things to my country that might affect me? Because I was born in a country that does bad things?
I don’t begrudge the people of China, Russia or the US for their governments actions.
Who’s stopping you? I pointed out the irony in Europeans, who constructed and benefit from the most brutal imperialist system in human history, presenting themselves as underdogs when threatened by other empires, all of which were targets of that imperialism.
The EU was founded to safeguard the capitalistic interests of its wealthiest members…
The EU was founded so the largest members would be so economically dependent on each other that they wouldn’t start another world war.
…and it operates in the best interest of those members.
I think it tries to act in the interest of all members, with varying degrees of success. It definitely does act in the interest of the poorer member states as well, by facilitating economic development. If you compare the countries behind the iron curtain, the ones that joined the EU are on the whole doing a lot better than the ones that didn’t.
They overfish off the coasts of poorer – almost always formerly occupied – states…
They are in the habit of forcing through deals that are very advantageous for them. I don’t like it, either. Probably the only thing we can agree on.
…enforce mining and other resource extraction policies with the intent to push the environmental impact of their system onto the indigenous peoples in those nations…
They buy raw materials from countries that sell them? Is that what you’re saying? They have to. They don’t have any raw materials themselves. And they pay market price for them. This is just doing business. Everyone benefits from this.
…use their international legal system to pressure uncooperative global-south states into compliance…
What does this mean? “The EU’s international legal system”? Are you talking about the ICC? The WTO? Are you talking about EU law that just applies in the EU?
…create refugee crises then commit genocide against refugees.
This is actually an outrageous accusation. The EU is in no way responsible for any refugee crises, and they certainly do not commit genocide against refugees. They also accept more refugees than anyone else, despite not having the resources to absorb all of them.
Don’t even try to play stupid about whether this is the case, because I know for sure that you know about the Danish overseas territory primarily populated by the Inuit: Greenland.
Greenland will have independence as soon as it is economically feasible. This is the consensus on Greenland and in Denmark. And the Nordic people actually lived on Greenland 200 years before the Thule people. How long until colonizers become the good guys in your opinion?
If the EU is in danger, good. It has to end like every empire does.
The EU has never been an empire. They are a bunch of tiny countries that are trying to work together, and they are the only major player in the world that stands for a rules based international order. As someone who lives in a tiny country that can’t defend itself against its larger neighbors militarily, that’s really important to me.
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You’re goddamn right I have a bad attitude about colonialism.
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Are you saying because our ancestors did something bad that we can’t be scared of that bad thing happening to us?
That would itself be enough to make fun of current events. But no, I was referring to the excessive wealth and material security members of the EU enjoy as a result of their ongoing colonialism. The EU was founded to safeguard the capitalistic interests of its wealthiest members and it operates in the best interest of those members. Corporations protected by its legal and economic framework continue the extractive capitalism Europeans have been engaging in for half a millennium. They overfish off the coasts of poorer – almost always formerly occupied – states, enforce mining and other resource extraction policies with the intent to push the environmental impact of their system onto the indigenous peoples in those nations, use their international legal system to pressure uncooperative global-south states into compliance, create refugee crises then commit genocide against refugees. Sometimes they even explicitly and overtly join in on US military occupation of these states in their countless military cooperation policies or straight up just committing their soldiers directly to invasion such as in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, you can’t act like you don’t know about how the EU has propped up the genocidal Israeli regime in Palestine after over two years of massive public demonstrations in the EU to challenge their state compliance.
Don’t even try to play stupid about whether this is the case, because I know for sure that you know about the Danish overseas territory primarily populated by the Inuit: Greenland.
You sitting here – in the wealth generated by all of this – and acting like youre a victim for something some vague, living ancestor did is itself a means to enact this colonialism. If the EU is in danger, good. It has to end like every empire does.
Your state will turn its violence inward before it prioritizes you over the colonialism.
I mean, I don’t necessarily disagree with your points.
But why aren’t we allowed to be upset about people trying to do bad things to my country that might affect me? Because I was born in a country that does bad things?
I don’t begrudge the people of China, Russia or the US for their governments actions.
Who’s stopping you? I pointed out the irony in Europeans, who constructed and benefit from the most brutal imperialist system in human history, presenting themselves as underdogs when threatened by other empires, all of which were targets of that imperialism.
Revanchism never produces peace and will always fuel conflict.
What a telling term to use.
Your “pointing out” is pretty confrontational.
I think we probably aren’t going to have much of a fun discussion here so I’m going to do us both a favour and wish you a good night, friend.
Oh how gracious and civil of you.
Did someone say Victim Complex?
Yes. Deal with it.
Woosh lol
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The EU was founded so the largest members would be so economically dependent on each other that they wouldn’t start another world war.
I think it tries to act in the interest of all members, with varying degrees of success. It definitely does act in the interest of the poorer member states as well, by facilitating economic development. If you compare the countries behind the iron curtain, the ones that joined the EU are on the whole doing a lot better than the ones that didn’t.
They are in the habit of forcing through deals that are very advantageous for them. I don’t like it, either. Probably the only thing we can agree on.
They buy raw materials from countries that sell them? Is that what you’re saying? They have to. They don’t have any raw materials themselves. And they pay market price for them. This is just doing business. Everyone benefits from this.
What does this mean? “The EU’s international legal system”? Are you talking about the ICC? The WTO? Are you talking about EU law that just applies in the EU?
This is actually an outrageous accusation. The EU is in no way responsible for any refugee crises, and they certainly do not commit genocide against refugees. They also accept more refugees than anyone else, despite not having the resources to absorb all of them.
Greenland will have independence as soon as it is economically feasible. This is the consensus on Greenland and in Denmark. And the Nordic people actually lived on Greenland 200 years before the Thule people. How long until colonizers become the good guys in your opinion?
The EU has never been an empire. They are a bunch of tiny countries that are trying to work together, and they are the only major player in the world that stands for a rules based international order. As someone who lives in a tiny country that can’t defend itself against its larger neighbors militarily, that’s really important to me.
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Yes. What the current batch’s grandparents did is also not really considered cool now.