And before anyone balks at the claim. Stalin literally expelled Nikolai Vavilov a genius, geneticist, and head of the academy from the academy of agricultural science. Replacing him with a quack lunatic Trofim Lysenko. Because Stalin felt his baseless theories aligned better with Soviet politics. Lysenko’s theories went on to exacerbate the massive mid century famines in Russia and China. Helping to kill tens of millions.
And all of that would have been bad enough. But for his crime of being correct and not bending the knee to Stalin. Vavilov was imprisoned and sent to Siberia to die in a gulag.
A, everything that Stalin did is not “Stalinist” any more than every single thing you have done is Eldritchian
B, Vavilov was found guilty of “sabotage of Soviet agriculture and spying for Britain”. You can argue all you want that it was because of his opinions, but that’s not what the historical record shows. Vavilov studied all over Europe, including Britain, so it’s not all that weird for such suspicions to be dealt with with prejudice during the worst war in history.
Trump and Republicans in the US find people guilty of bullshit all the time. Doesn’t mean it’s true. Just means trump and Stalin are paranoid thin skinned little bitches. Xi too. I’m not going to lionize Lai Chee-ying. But the bullshit sedition charges are on brand.
I mean, Stalin locked swaths of people up, incited pogroms, expelled political dissidents – but does that make those actions “Stalinist” in any context? It reads to me as an appeal to red scare sensibilities. In fact these are moves are out of any authoritarian’s playbook. It’s fascist brain drain. I think that’s all they’re saying. Granted ML tends toward tankie, but this take seems fine
I don’t know where all this talk of Stalinist came from. That right there was my first posting of it in this thread. Stalin was an authoritarian dictator. Stalinist/leninist it’s all just another flavor of authoritarianism. Not unique to either one of them really. And ultimately a straw man. Just as the claims of sedition are a deflection.
It’s literally in the title of the post and your comment was defending the take by presenting an example of something Stalin did.
Like, how much more of a connection is needed?
Also, no. Stalinist and Leninist are not “flavors of authoritarianism”. Words have meaning derived from the historical process of meaning creation in a society that you live in. Stalinism has a meaning that is historically defined. Leninism has a meaning that is historically defined. It not just “whatever was done”.
If that’s the case then the all genocides are Bidenism because Biden presided over a genocide. Genocides would also be Harrisism. Drone strikes of American citizens would be Obamism. Saving Nazis would be Trumanism.
Not one side or the other, but this is also just as often found to be true in reverse. Kinda sucks, especially when your viewpoint is supported by a person’s achievements/views/whatever. This guy could have been potentially sabotaging Soviet agriculture (maybe even in support of his larger views of how things should be, hard to say) and spying for Britain (probably more of a stretch considering he was the better/more true to the real goal person for the job which was probably not in line with any of Britain’s priorities). But people do have weaknesses. Sometimes our idea of a person due to their beliefs conflict with their actions. It doesn’t make him any less the better candidate for his position. However, it is difficult to determine without bias whether this was a case of trumped up charges or possibly a man with good intentions that did commit some crimes. I’m inclined to agree that he was probably a convenient scapegoat because, Stalin. But for the sake of a fair argument I think these claims should at least be researched before everyone jumps on the down vote train.
You think Trump and the Republicans have an exclusive lock on trumped up charges? Do you know anything about how federal prosecution works? Wait till you read about what the courts have been doing to black people and indigenous people for generations!
And before anyone balks at the claim. Stalin literally expelled Nikolai Vavilov a genius, geneticist, and head of the academy from the academy of agricultural science. Replacing him with a quack lunatic Trofim Lysenko. Because Stalin felt his baseless theories aligned better with Soviet politics. Lysenko’s theories went on to exacerbate the massive mid century famines in Russia and China. Helping to kill tens of millions.
And all of that would have been bad enough. But for his crime of being correct and not bending the knee to Stalin. Vavilov was imprisoned and sent to Siberia to die in a gulag.
A, everything that Stalin did is not “Stalinist” any more than every single thing you have done is Eldritchian
B, Vavilov was found guilty of “sabotage of Soviet agriculture and spying for Britain”. You can argue all you want that it was because of his opinions, but that’s not what the historical record shows. Vavilov studied all over Europe, including Britain, so it’s not all that weird for such suspicions to be dealt with with prejudice during the worst war in history.
Wow! The mental gymnastics.
Trump and Republicans in the US find people guilty of bullshit all the time. Doesn’t mean it’s true. Just means trump and Stalin are paranoid thin skinned little bitches. Xi too. I’m not going to lionize Lai Chee-ying. But the bullshit sedition charges are on brand.
Don’t listen to that guy, just another Frisbirdian lunatic
I mean, Stalin locked swaths of people up, incited pogroms, expelled political dissidents – but does that make those actions “Stalinist” in any context? It reads to me as an appeal to red scare sensibilities. In fact these are moves are out of any authoritarian’s playbook. It’s fascist brain drain. I think that’s all they’re saying. Granted ML tends toward tankie, but this take seems fine
I don’t know where all this talk of Stalinist came from. That right there was my first posting of it in this thread. Stalin was an authoritarian dictator. Stalinist/leninist it’s all just another flavor of authoritarianism. Not unique to either one of them really. And ultimately a straw man. Just as the claims of sedition are a deflection.
It’s literally in the title of the post and your comment was defending the take by presenting an example of something Stalin did.
Like, how much more of a connection is needed?
Also, no. Stalinist and Leninist are not “flavors of authoritarianism”. Words have meaning derived from the historical process of meaning creation in a society that you live in. Stalinism has a meaning that is historically defined. Leninism has a meaning that is historically defined. It not just “whatever was done”.
If that’s the case then the all genocides are Bidenism because Biden presided over a genocide. Genocides would also be Harrisism. Drone strikes of American citizens would be Obamism. Saving Nazis would be Trumanism.
None of these words mean those things.
Not one side or the other, but this is also just as often found to be true in reverse. Kinda sucks, especially when your viewpoint is supported by a person’s achievements/views/whatever. This guy could have been potentially sabotaging Soviet agriculture (maybe even in support of his larger views of how things should be, hard to say) and spying for Britain (probably more of a stretch considering he was the better/more true to the real goal person for the job which was probably not in line with any of Britain’s priorities). But people do have weaknesses. Sometimes our idea of a person due to their beliefs conflict with their actions. It doesn’t make him any less the better candidate for his position. However, it is difficult to determine without bias whether this was a case of trumped up charges or possibly a man with good intentions that did commit some crimes. I’m inclined to agree that he was probably a convenient scapegoat because, Stalin. But for the sake of a fair argument I think these claims should at least be researched before everyone jumps on the down vote train.
You think Trump and the Republicans have an exclusive lock on trumped up charges? Do you know anything about how federal prosecution works? Wait till you read about what the courts have been doing to black people and indigenous people for generations!
Ugg every instance needs to defederate from you ml tankies. The apologistic bullshit you all spew is ridiculous.
He’s got a comment in another community removed for talking about Ukrainian propaganda. He’s just another lemmy.ml cultist.
Yep, no surprise. ML users are 99% cultist for state propaganda from russia/china.
Man, talk about apologia, y’all will excuse anything to justify fighting communism.
Lol says the user who is apologist for russian atrocities.
Hahahahahahahahahahahha