The thing that Neoliberals will grow to understand very quickly as material conditions worsen; is that FDR was not the savior of the working class. He was the savior of the capitalist FROM the working class. And right now, there isn’t an FDR to be found.
Neoliberals, and even more so social democrats, are among the most (effectively) conservative candidates in a certain sense. With the understanding that pure capitalism is so unsustainable that it will eventually destroy itself, social democrats, by undoing some of the harm caused by capitalism, only seek to conserve it.
Of course, I think they’re (social democrats, not neoliberals) a better choice for now, since they don’t work to actively harm the working class. But in the long run, they are what’s keeping capitalism afloat. I don’t know what’s the way to escape the clutches of capitalism without causing complete societal collapse, but social democracy ain’t it.
Honestly, I consider myself a social democrat, and that’s a fair criticism of social democratic politics.
You can mitigate the worst excesses of capitalism, but only at the price of constant vigilance. And if you do a good job, people don’t think you are doing much of anything, and hound you about the “government inefficiency”, the “oppressive regulatory pressure” and the “poor business climate”. You are basically running PR for capitalism.
The new wave of DSA-aligned progressives are running on an FDR inspired “Green New Deal.” If they get enough victories in next year’s primaries there could be a realignment of the DNC towards FDR style policies, so there very well could be an FDR type running in the 2028 presidential election with the support of the Democratic party. The wealthy donors who control the DNC would be forced to appease the base
It’s likely to be a very chaotic affair given Trump’s unwillingness to abdicate power. Unfortunately the only way I see trump leaving office peacefully is if his own party turns on him and votes along with Democrats to impeach him before the next election. Failing that we’ll get Jan 6 two: electric boogaloo and we get to find out if they worked out the kinks.
I support DSA because I think it builds class consciousness and can show on a small scale what socialist policies can achieve.
However, I think the capitalist class has made it clear that they would not allow an FDR to save them. They turned down that offer with Bernie and again letting Biden run for a second term. They decided it was gonna be more neoliberalism or a Cryptofascist surrounded by actual fascist at every level of his administration.
You are right. They will not give up power. And they definitely won’t allow an FDR candidate in though. And if they do they definitely won’t allow the level of FDR policies needed to stop the anger of the working class.
The failing neoliberalism vs. growing fascism is the only real federal government cycle we have to look forward to. Eventually that hits it tipping point though.
However, I think the capitalist class has made it clear that they would not allow an FDR to save them. They turned down that offer with Bernie and again letting Biden run for a second term.
They’re just not desperate enough yet. They will cave when they begin to feel they are under personal threat.
The thing that Neoliberals will grow to understand very quickly as material conditions worsen; is that FDR was not the savior of the working class. He was the savior of the capitalist FROM the working class. And right now, there isn’t an FDR to be found.
Neoliberals, and even more so social democrats, are among the most (effectively) conservative candidates in a certain sense. With the understanding that pure capitalism is so unsustainable that it will eventually destroy itself, social democrats, by undoing some of the harm caused by capitalism, only seek to conserve it.
Of course, I think they’re (social democrats, not neoliberals) a better choice for now, since they don’t work to actively harm the working class. But in the long run, they are what’s keeping capitalism afloat. I don’t know what’s the way to escape the clutches of capitalism without causing complete societal collapse, but social democracy ain’t it.
Social democrats in the West managed to keep capitalism afloat because the brunt of the exploitation was moved abroad.
Yeah, that’s a critical difference between social democracy and true socialism. Socialists are against exploitation anywhere in the world.
Honestly, I consider myself a social democrat, and that’s a fair criticism of social democratic politics.
You can mitigate the worst excesses of capitalism, but only at the price of constant vigilance. And if you do a good job, people don’t think you are doing much of anything, and hound you about the “government inefficiency”, the “oppressive regulatory pressure” and the “poor business climate”. You are basically running PR for capitalism.
The new wave of DSA-aligned progressives are running on an FDR inspired “Green New Deal.” If they get enough victories in next year’s primaries there could be a realignment of the DNC towards FDR style policies, so there very well could be an FDR type running in the 2028 presidential election with the support of the Democratic party. The wealthy donors who control the DNC would be forced to appease the base
It’s likely to be a very chaotic affair given Trump’s unwillingness to abdicate power. Unfortunately the only way I see trump leaving office peacefully is if his own party turns on him and votes along with Democrats to impeach him before the next election. Failing that we’ll get Jan 6 two: electric boogaloo and we get to find out if they worked out the kinks.
He could leave in a box
I support DSA because I think it builds class consciousness and can show on a small scale what socialist policies can achieve.
However, I think the capitalist class has made it clear that they would not allow an FDR to save them. They turned down that offer with Bernie and again letting Biden run for a second term. They decided it was gonna be more neoliberalism or a Cryptofascist surrounded by actual fascist at every level of his administration.
You are right. They will not give up power. And they definitely won’t allow an FDR candidate in though. And if they do they definitely won’t allow the level of FDR policies needed to stop the anger of the working class.
The failing neoliberalism vs. growing fascism is the only real federal government cycle we have to look forward to. Eventually that hits it tipping point though.
They’re just not desperate enough yet. They will cave when they begin to feel they are under personal threat.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. In my opinion you can’t “unchoose” fascism.