by that i mean - that an emotional reaction doesn’t make something art

i experience an emotional reaction when i step in shit too

the only pause it gives me is when i notice nonsensical details blending into each other, the only emotion it moves in me is then disgust and foolishness as i just spent time on slop that was not an expression of something, but an intentionless imitation of one. and it sure as hell doesn’t make me self reflect as it manages to be both shallow and hollow

it’s not AI “art” itself that sparked a conversation, no singular piece stands out as something people talk about (a piece that is more than just a more seamless version of the pervious attempts, something memorable even after it stops being the best at imitation). The talk is not about AI “art” itself it’s about the idea of it. Nobody points to a single thing AI made and claims that is proof it’s not art, because it’s not individual pieces that “make us think” – it’s the concept of an intentionless thing being fed human art and then making misshapen copies of it at the whims of people who can’t be bothered to engage with art at all.

sure it does make you think, but only if you - knowingly or not - treat the entire emergence of AI slop as a kind of performance art itself, any individual piece of slop is not the topic here

i’m reading enough into your comment. i literally explained why that wouldn’t change much

never mind a canvas, if the guy cared in the slightest about the “art” AI made he’d at least print it on poster paper

this experiment shows how even the “artists” just do not care about those images, and why would they? why would any of us care?

this shows exactly the core of the issue - every piece of art made by a human, no matter how good or bad (whatever that means), is a reflection of the artist. Sometimes they pour their entire soul into a piece, sometimes just a small part of them, but it’s always a reflection of them. So the artist will care about what they’ve made because it’s their own self, in a way. And others will care about it too, because we crave to get to know others, understand them, see the world how they see it - and art allows us to glimpse just that.

AI slop elicits none of those emotions, there is no artist to care about, no reflection of the self, no worldview to glimpse, no way of caring about it, nothing – even if it was you who wrote the prompt, you just can’t bring yourself to give a shit

wow, it seems like it’s printed on printer quality paper. really amplifies how those who use AI for “art” don’t give a flying fuck about art

maybe it’s Wales, maybe it’s just academia. smart people are usually capable of figuring out that self expression no matter how eccentric is harmless and simply brings colour to the world

i like saying that history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…

but bloody hell, this is literally the exact same thing we get every single generation

“those young people, completely indecent, just look at the way they dress! their hair! the music they listen to! this technology they use! what will become of them. When i was young i was perfectly obedient and listened to my elders.” you could attritbute that sentence to any era of human history and you’ll be correct, literally all the way back to the beginning of written history this rings true

Socrates complained about how the youths depend on paper and books too much. And since then little has changed but the exact thing the olds complain about

and the third is autism spectrum lisorder!

yeah but there’re more -isms and -phobias that are enabled on that website, feels a bit odd to single out one bigotry amongst so many

i mean, we have the solutions to a lot of problems already

traffic? public trains

hunger? just like, feed people

global warming? reduce fossil fuel usage and stop poisoning the oceans

homeless? literally so many empty homes, put people in them???

and we’ve had many smart people create step by step plans for all of these!

the thing is… i guess rich people want a solution that doesn’t involve them paying for something that’s good not just for them but for others? so all those plans fail at step 1 - have empathy

i mean, they still do that anyway, for all we know the “disagree” button does fuck all. but at least now we know that they do it, hooray?

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well maybe for you that’s not enough justification. but others care about other people

the state as an idea is bad yes i agree. but there are better and worse states, and if i have to live in a state because us anarchists can’t organsie well enough to create a state-less society, then i’d rather live in a better state rather than a bad one

in a way i think yes. in the dark ages at least any insane cults and ideas couldn’t spread far. if your village or castle happened to have dark ages version of ben shapiro then his words aren’t going to go far (unless they infected the local ruler as well, and even then it’d still be contained within your area, or your country at worst). If you were on the receiving end of insanity you could always just kind of– pack up and move to another village, walk 30km away and you’re like a new man! Worst case scenario find your way to a port, fuck off to another country - passports or border control did not exist, passage was often granted for free to those able bodied that joined the crew for the voyage.

obviously i’m romanticising here a bit, modern medicine and technology makes day to day life easier. but it also makes other things much harder. our privacy is going extinct at an alarming rate, freedom of movement across borders belongs to distant memories of our great grandparents, (unless you’re french) your protests will be ignored and/or vilified, and if you dare care about other humans and speak up about it you can be labelled as a terrorist in some places

i do truly hope that those years of unrest aren’t here to stay…

idea: we do the whole leftist infighting thing after we win against the common enemy, deal?

its quite simple - they want their child to be special and/or they want their child to make them special

being an “average person” is incredibly uncommon, an average is not really a useful metric. if you have 1 & 100 the average is 50, even though it isn’t even one of the numbers in that set

video games take a lot of time and effort to make, and i’m not that interested in making them