
Maybe there is no point, maybe he didn’t die, maybe you should carefully read the comments you reply to
Maybe there is no point, maybe he didn’t die, maybe you should carefully read the comments you reply to
You said “died to redeem sin” and I put Christians who believe he died for other reasons or don’t even believe he existed at all and therefore didn’t die. Not sure if you’re moving the goalpost
Well, Catholics really aren’t Christians because they use a weird and theologically wrong handshape while praying /s
I’m not mistaken as how that argument goes. I disagree with it.
In a different reply, I said "There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not. " and I stand with that. I didn’t deny that you can come up with arbitary criteria to exclude certain groups, especially when you are allowed to use vague language like “different perspective on God”.
we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything.
Do you think Paul wrote all the letters by Paul? How is this a critical difference?
standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.
applied by whom? Applied by you and which army?
There are different views on Jesus. Some would say he died because of the sin of the world, because he was sinless and so couldn’t live in a world full of sins. Some see him as a revolutionary who was cought and put to death to prevent the revolution. Some see it all very symbolic and allegorical. Some even deny Jesus was a real historic figure and see him purely as myth and still take value from his stories.
Other groups have authorities as well but there is no central authority to all. You can be expelled from a denomination but not from Christianity itself.
Canonization began in the 3rd century and took centuries to form the canons now used in the various denominations. The Ethiopian Church has the biggest canon, still I never heard anyone arguing they aren’t real Christians because they include Enoch and what not. “inspired by God” is language not all Christians would use. There are no official critieria for what is or is not a Christian, just infighting to belittle some groups.
I’m confused about what your point is and what you think mine is. My point is that Mormons are Christians and I made fun of people denying that. This isn’t rolling back or moving the goalpost or anything but just explaining my original intention and when you read the other comments you see that most understood it that way.
As a native speaker of one of the above, I’m sometimes confused when people online use “he” for a generic duck or cat or other animals that are female in my native language
To be clear: I was being sarcastic. In a different reply I said that there is no authority who can decide who’s a real Christian and who isn’t. It’s all about self identification and they identify as such so they are Christians
There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not. That’s just not how such identity markers work.
Mormons aren’t Christians, at least according to those Christians who hate Mormons. They might believe in Jesus Christ but they didn’t find him. This might seem like a distinction without a difference but only because it is.
I reacted to something I thought was important to your argument because I still don’t know what your argument actually is
Does it really matter? I identified as Christian for a long time and still sympathize with certain Christian strands. I read all 4 of the 96 gospels at one point of my life. I don’t consider myself a believer and neither an expert but I might have a clue of what I’m talking about
The new testament has a bunch of authors with different views and each text can be interpreted very differently. Nothing of it is “very clear”
I like your combination of commitment and inability to convey a coherent strain of thought, so if by fight you mean trying to understand you, than yes, let’s have this fight.
Are you implying that Jesus is still alive? What are the implications of his death only mentioned in 6 out of 96 gospels? Gospel is a brought term. The Gospel of Thomas for example doesn’t have a narrative, just a collection of quotes. Other gospels tell a particular story. Imagine having a story about an event in childhood and the story doesn’t end with “much later he died”.
So you are talking explicitly about the gospels and not anything else? Because in another comment you talked about the new testament in general so I’m confused you reject a big bunch of it
I have no idea what you are trying to communicate
The new testament is pretty clear that Jesus will return within their life time. Paul is like “don’t make any major life changes, Jesus is coming soon enough.” They struggle with questions like how come some of us are dead and Jesus still isn’t back? Guess what, all of them are dead by now.
Spiders have an exoskeleton. The skeleton of a spider looks basically like a spider