@NightFantom But wasn’t Pathfinder 1e which has 50% more content than 3e equally popular during 4e? Also wasn’t simplicity the point of the old school renaissance movement with even simpler rules from the good old days which doesn’t seem to be as popular as DnD or Pathfinder

Yeah. I’m not high level enough to fully know if it’s good enough in ToEE but it seems only Color Spray is a good gnome illusion specialist spell I see and other spells like mirror image and invisibility don’t need speccing

@NightFantom Maybe it is just the shadow spells then. Video game implementations don’t exist for those spells and also even if they do means no creative solutions for those spells unfortunately. I guess illusion becoming mundane once you typify it into a concrete system inevitably makes illusion weaker, then. I also read the school tier list for illusion in this guide. https://rpgbot.net/dnd35/characters/classes/wizard

@Suck_on_my_Presence What would be missing since bards get essentially all the buffs and debuffs because they don’t stack? And wouldn’t being aoe’d or targeted also equally hurt other team comps?

@Suck_on_my_Presence I said a Bard + 3 martials exactly for the reasoning of the no stack buffs limit and hence moot caster stacking. Apparently, AI also let me find out about the debuffs which bards can also do as status and martials can do via environmental effect as circumstance.

@nokturne213 can I edit my post to show up on that site since I’m using mastodon

@Blumpkinhead idk. Just random unnecessary changes that’s out there that make me think the modmakers were just randomly peeved players were allowed two rooms instead of one. Don’t think that was a bug nor necessitate fixing. Can’t really define it though and I barely remember the skyrim patch. I’m far from a purist and I don’t think the random youtube video and blogs I watched who also think the same are purists also.