Like I said, this was a pointless discussion.

Blocked.

I grow weary of this. We want the same thing–for people to be safe–and you’ve routinely implied otherwise.

From the very start, you twist and contort my (and, therefore, every other commenter on this post) opinion.

You are replying to a thread that is literally me replying to a comment mentioning ketamine’s dangers with frequent use, saying “correct”. What was that about bias, again?

However, it _is_ effective in the short term, which makes its short term use valid. Occasional recreational use is also valid.

I’m the troll and yet you won’t engage in an actual discussion? You are moment to moment demanding that everything you have said is correct or not understanding my point and yet you are wrong about so much, but won’t engage to find out so.

From the start, I say “occasional use” at most. That is a week between doses, minimum. This is safe, and this is a matter of fact.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2009.02761.x

You are acting with blatant superiority and pedantry on each individual word I say. You don’t respond as if it’s a conversation just a stomping ground for your ego.

You’re actually making yourself a big fat target by comparing chemicals to living organisms. You are acting with blatant superiority by conveniently inventing my opinion, so you can object. I say three times a month at most. You claim that’s a free endorsement of daily heavy use. You simply want to win a debate in which the other side is logically devoid.

Look at how you communicate and how you process to act like a singular source of truth in this world. It’s appalling and yet you act as if it’s correct because you are the one doing it.

I’m not. I hold the same opinion that everyone else here does. You are simply being wrong in this case by making outlandish claims about my own opinions (and everyone else here by extension), and justifying objecting to a point I never made by making even more outlandish claims.

Yes, slaver y and lots of things would later go on to be considered a bad method for accomplishing goals. That is my point on overly relying on drugs when especially there is already evidence as with Ketamine that it’s damaging to the body.

You’re acting as if I don’t know that ketamine is damaging to the body. I literally made a reply to a person saying that ketamine is dangerous with frequent use, and saying this is CORRECT.

I am not trying to bring up the point that ketamine is a very safe drug, and at no point did I do this. You are just a contrarian, and need a point to object to–so you invent it.

Insulin shock was a way of treating psychosis and so was giving people malaria to give them a fever strong enough to damage the brain. You don’t understand the points being made so you act like you are better informed when you respond with nonsense. Look at all your own smarmy interjections as if they validate you more.

Insulin is a hormone, and malaria is a LITERAL DISEASE. Apart from the fact that I never said ketamine is safe to use daily, you are trying to compare the danger of ketamine to quite literally injecting a parasite into the body, and causing an infection. This is a ludicrous argument, and it is disinformation. Confirmation bias will not change the fact that you stand alone.

You aren’t as informed as you think you are and you aren’t solo in deciding what is good in this world. Other people can have opinions and knowledge you don’t.

I am very well informed, as this has been my focus for the greater part of five years by now, as I intend to be a leader in reform for how drugs are marketed. This is merely the start. It is necessary for my goal that I am well informed. I study drugs hours a day, and I’m writing an encyclopaedia dedicated to promoting clear, concise safety information, with accurate sources, so people don’t have to play the guessing game any more. You don’t think it’s an insult to practically say I’m intentionally trying to get people hurt?

My mother took ketamine on a medical prescription and it ruined her body. She had to get physical therapy to use her hands again to be able to pick up objects.

Do you not think that is exactly what I stand against? I’m tired of this type of point, like I don’t recognise victims of the very same system I oppose. I started by saying occasional (infrequent) use, and a prescription is the opposite of that. The fact is that frequent use is unsafe, and this information is easy to find (and it should be extremely obvious that a substance has harm potential). Yet, prescriptions remain common, because this is the United States, and the government never cared about public safety. It’s all about that precious money. It is people like me who call for rigorous testing of drugs, so that prescriptions don’t become popular for unhealthy drugs.

The original point was about antidepressive drugs. I said ketamine was rather dangerous, and psychedelics are better. We have substantial proof that psychedelics are extremely safe, and we should opt for that. End of story.

Stop being a jerk that thinks they are superior and swaps to whatever opinion let’s them talk down to others.

Stop being inflammatory. You compared drugs to viral infections and slandered me by claiming I’m openly advertising that people should abuse drugs. This echoes the behaviour of a Fox News anchor.

You may have changed your mind but you clearly haven’t stopped being rude and dismissive of others.

I don’t normally interact with people calling eukaryotes a chemical compound. I am not being dismissive, you’ve failed to bring an argument to the table.

I don’t care about who you were and it’s unnecessary in this conversation you bring it up as a shield to deflect that you are being a jerk here and now.

It is necessary to bring up because you are the one claiming that I’m unwilling to change my opinion, ever. I am. I simply stand against contorting words, as you have done. I am defending myself, and you don’t like the fact I’m allowed to do that.

God help us all.

Original comment: Remember the history behind the war on drugs, and don’t let Musk own ketamine. The meaning of this statement is to not let Musk’s behaviour surrounding ketamine discount the fact that there exists a fine line you can walk where ketamine is helpful. That is using it, once, for a depressive episode.

A reply from another commenter that frequent use is dangerous. Plus, a well-known and excepted source for evidence of this. I don’t believe evidence is necessary to prove ketamine is toxic when used frequently, but a paper is good.

Me replying to the comment saying that KETAMINE BEING USED FREQUENTLY IS TOXIC, but its infrequent use (less than three times per month) is, indeed, safe, hence my original point.

Then, you come in, slander me with accusations that I’m openly calling for people to use drugs frequently. You started this. There were no unreasonable claims made until you came along. I was having an actual discussion, and now I have to prove that I somehow didn’t say that people should use meth every hour of every day.

Unbelievable. I have never seen a more fundamentally broken point in my life, and I mean it.

You’ve put so many words in my mouth, and I haven’t put any in yours. You stated I made a point that I never did. You compared a point that was never made to archaic medical procedures. I respond to the rest of the comment as is, without saying you’re claiming that people should never use drugs, which is a point you never made.

I do not get it. This is the only argument I’ve ever seen of this sort, and it’s clear why–it’s logically devoid. A hundred and twenty people agree with my original point, and this post is filled with people, in good nature, making similar points. This is heartwarming as it means that people are listening and are understanding. In comes you, inflating my words seemingly just to get a ruse out of me. Well, congratulations–you did it.

I will engage in actual discussion, but I want an actual argument, and to not have my words twisted. When you do, you will agree with me, because you will see that I am making a fair and reasonable point, the same that everyone else is, and not whatever ghost you’re fighting against. That only happens when you read my point, and not the point that was never made.

I knew this was a waste of time.

You are putting so many words in my mouth.

Remember, there’s always a bigger fish

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You’ve chosen… poorly.

I don’t even know why I’m bothering typing this. It won’t change your opinion. You are a troll, and I’m speaking to a phantom. I haven’t even heard of some of these medical procedures, but whatever. Fine. School day it is, then.

A lobotomy was a recognized and approved medical procedure. Within a few years in the late 1940s 10s of thousands of procedures were done. The person who discovered the procedure won a Nobel prize for Medicine for how it helped people with psychosis.

This is true. Combined with how slavery was only just recently abolished, and segregation is still the norm, it goes to show how incredibly innovative the United States was throughout its history.

How is it not related?

I don’t know, why is vitamin B12 not related? I just discovered that large doses treat dissociation.

Because this is a chemical that alters brain chemistry instead?

Yes.

Would you prefer I state electroshock therapy?

No, I’d prefer you state something relevant. Speaking of, here’s the two other operations mentioned in the history section of the lobotomy Wikipedia page that you looked at, that involve a compound.

Insulin shock?

Insulin. Insulin. That is a fucking hormone. Insulin is a hormone. Granted, that is a compound, and comparing a hormone to a narcotic is insane, but fine. At least we aren’t slandering HRT because of insulin shock.

Malarial?

Here’s one I’ve definitely never heard of. A quick read reveals it’s the process of using plasmodium to cause malaria, which causes a rise in body temperature, which then, in turn, mitigates other diseases. The malaria is then given treatment. I’ve never heard of something so stupid in all my years, but I’m still trying to find the compound invo–no. No, that’s impossible. The compound involved isn’t…

FUCKING EUKARYOTES!?

Since I’ve already lost so many brain cells, why not add some gasoline to the mix? Let me go sniff some real quick…done.

My point

Objection–you do not have a point, you have a mouth.

Just because it is used in the medical field does not being and end the argument of safety and efficiency.

Strawman.

Opiods are considered safe until you have to stop taking them…

Opiods [sic] is a weird way to spell benzodiazepines. Now, I’ve already torn your incorrect “opinion” to shreds, and now I’m literally giving you an argument against me, over a point that was never made.

You clearly have a specific predetermined opinion on the matter

That implies I was never anti-drug. I was. I supported banning all of them, and incarcerating all who ever used them. I was a Trump supporter. I vocally defended the cop that murdered George Floyd, blaming the fentanyl as everyone did. Point is, my mind has already changed, and what you’re doing is actually trying to unchange my mind.

The only one with a predetermined opinion on the matter is you, you Nixonite.

Your threat to my appearance does not diminsh my statement it just proves your bias.

My parents said the same thing when I warned them that voting for Trump was a stupid idea. Your strawman arguments don’t diminsh [sic] my statement, it only proves your bias.

Being open towards the use of drugs does not mean they are free of criticism

I still don’t know why this is being said, because I never said drugs are free of criticism. You are replying to a thread that is literally me replying to a comment mentioning ketamine’s dangers with frequent use, saying “correct”. What was that about bias, again?

This is not to say people can not take what helps but helping is not always good or an answer long term.

This is your first correct statement. Right at the end, too! A broken clock is right once a day. I use 24-hour time, sorry. Short end of the stick, sometimes.

All in all, I have had more intelligent debates on Reddit. I highly recommend you work for the Trump administration, they could use your mindset, conflating rationality and brazen emotional-esque response. And, like I said before:

Delete your comment, before you make a (further) fool of yourself.

It would. Republicans don’t believe in treatment. Natural selection. Do the math.

Comparing an accepted prescription drug to a surgery that involves literally physically and permanently disfiguring the brain is nothing short of outrageous.

You are claiming I am openly portraying drugs as entirely safe to use for any purpose, which is a great insult to me and the people I am trying to help. This is a ludicrously irrational argument, and I suggest you delete your comment before you make a fool of yourself.

Jockstraps because same reason

Correct. However, it is effective in the short term, which makes its short term use valid. Occasional recreational use is also valid. I feel psychedelics are a better option in most cases. Elon Musk has chosen to use ketamine chronically–carelessness in, carelessness out. He shouldn’t be the face of ketamine. I’m rightfully concerned about the demonization of ketamine due to these headlines, when the only thing that should be demonized is Musk.

Musk is the same person who said homelessness is a propaganda word for useless drug addicts. Anti-drug sentiment is a dangerous radical right ideology. People must remember this when discussing this subject. I’ve seen comments on many posts relating to politicians and drug use with an inherently negative stance on drugs, particularly with Musk, which is my reason for tapping the sign. The articles themselves often have an anti-drug bias, and I feel that’s showing itself here a little.

Keep discourse in good faith.

I’m gonna tap the sign.

(The Drug User’s Bible, by Dominic Milton Trott)

Do not let Elon Musk own ketamine. It is a valid depression treatment.

Reddit remains one of the only reliable sources of safety advice, reporting, and guides on drugs. Lots of [deleted] nowadays. This is particularly concerning in aspects beyond this as well. Obscure software issues? Buying recommendations? Everyone always flocked to Reddit, and now it’s gone.

A reminder to never put all your eggs in one basket.

Quaaludes:

I don’t know why people think soap would be made out of drones