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I said its one of the reasons behind the network effect, not the network effect itself. github can offer more freebies, which attracts more users, which makes it more attractive to other users and for existing users to stick around.

Which is one of the reasons behind github’s network effect.

the main reason is because people don’t know about it

But you know about it now and you’re still arguing against it.

it’s an extra thing to remember for little benefit the “only” do a really useful thing that lots of people want.

The benefit you see in those tags is the same level of benefit that users who use accessibility features get from output and other semantic tags. But your argument seems to boil down to “I dont need accessibility features so i don’t care about enabling them for ppl who do”. That’s very disappointing and continuing this debate seems pointless so i’m gonna stop here

Expecting all devs to test their sites with screen readers is unrealistic.

I disagree with this but its not what we’re talking about. You said output is useless and I’m saying its obviously not. There’s zero cost to using it instead of a div so the only reason not to use it is to purposefully screw users who need accessibility features.

All those other elements give some benefit apart from accessibility

Maybe for label but p and h1 - h6 only differ from div in styles, which is another argument in my favor. If you’re willing to swap a div for one of those for visual users, swapping a div for output should be just as easy of a change.

Yes exactly. Which is reason enough to use it, unless you purposefully want worse accessibility.

You could make the same argument about p, h1 - h6, label, etc.

Nearly every web app that uses an input calculates and displays some result based on those inputs. It’s clearly useful.

The point I was making here is you start sabotaging & can end up harming people that may have been allies

How? The call to sabotage was against fascist programs, like surveillance, illegal arrests, etc. How would sabotaging those hurt people who could have been allies?

Second, the more you start demanding people do what you want else you’ll sabotage, attack them, etc

That is nowhere near what is happening here. We have a system of laws that is being broken. Nobody was calling for sabotage when those laws were followed. But people who use less aggressive methods to combat fascism, i.e. writing op-eds, speaking publicly against administration policies, leading protests, have started facing punishments. They are preventing the normal exercise of civilian power, so we have to escalate to sabotage or similar actions. That doesn’t make us like fascists because we are not the ones defying and breaking existing social norms and laws. This is a ridiculous argument.

The post didn’t promote consumerism in any way. It said, if you’re a tech worker you should unionize and sabotage authoritarian work where you can