Both concepts specifically appeal to those who are unable to achieve anything on their own—they serve to recruit these people against their own interests and therefore have parallels with and often the same effect as religion.

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    That’s pure projection. I don’t love my country and it would be stupid to have romantic feelings toward a made-up thing that doesn’t exist.

    I live here because it’s a good place to live. If the country goes to shit, I move on.

    Do you feel patriotic love towards the supermarket you shop at? Or do you go there because it’s currently the place where you get the best deal? Do you love your petrol station? Do you love the highway or train you use to get to work?

    Maybe it’s the american weirdness that you guys don’t value love so that you mistake thinking that somethig is ok is automatically deep love or something weird.

    Patriotism has exactly on purpose: to keep idiots in line and stop them from thinking.

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      I live here because it’s a good place to live. If the country goes to shit, I move on.

      If something negative starts happening in my community I work to fix or resist it, so it starts a good place to live. Instead of selfishly running away I work hard for the coming good. That’s what patriotism is about. You sound like someone who wants to reap the benefits of a good society without doing the work to make one.

      This is also an absurdly privileged take. Very few people have the economic means or are capable of handling the emotional impact of moving from their family.

      Do you feel patriotic love towards the supermarket you shop at? Or do you go there because it’s currently the place where you get the best deal? Do you love your petrol station? Do you love the highway or train you use to get to work?

      This is an absurd strawman. I care about the people who work in those places, and that those places are effective and equitable.

      Maybe it’s the american weirdness that you guys don’t value love so that you mistake thinking that somethig is ok is automatically deep love or something weird.

      Inflammatory rhetoric from someone who clearly doesn’t actually know Americans.

      Patriotism has exactly on purpose: to keep idiots in line and stop them from thinking.

      Considering you can’t stop conflating patriotism and nationalism in your responses, perhaps you should be a little more careful of who you call an idiot.

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        Patriotism is nationalism for people who say “I’m not a racist, but”.

        Wait for a few more years and you’ll see what patriots do to a country once they have taken over everything and been in power for a few years.

        I am from Austria. I know what patriots do.

        Patriots are the same shit as real nazis, only they are too cowardly to admit it and they “didn’t know what really happened” until the charade finally collapses.

        Over here we have another term for patriots: Mitläufer.