• Rothe@piefed.social
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    Not if US fascism continues to reign for the next 50 years. Then she will proudly brag to her grandchildren that she was among the pioneers who supported the Great Leader in his early struggles against decadent Western socialism. And her grandchildren will listen in awe and wonder at how brave their grandmother was in fighting to get rid of all the socialist islamist terrorists.

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      Fascism is inherently self-destructive, so that won’t happen. But the collapse will cost a lot of human lives.

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        18 hours ago

        Is it though? Mussolini ruled in Italy 21 years, Hitler ruled for 15. And the reason both of them fell was on account of the very concerted effort of an extremely powertul alliance of foreign powers waging unrelenting war against them both for years. Otherwise they would have ruled to their natural deaths, and their heirs would have taken over.

        What happened during WWII is not a scenario which is likely to occur in present day US. There is no powerful alliance going to wage unrelenting war against the US fascist government. On the contrary China and Russia applauds what is going on.

        Your comment is a good example of why history doesn’t repeat itself, even though much of it is very recognisable.

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      Fascist regimes never last 50 years.

      Before someone says “Franco”, no. Even Orwell had doubts about Franco being a real fascist, and historians since then trend the same way.

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        18 hours ago

        Why does fascist regimes never last 50 years? Because a powerful alliance of countries relentlessly vanquish them, historically. No such powerful alliance is present today. You should not make historical rules of whay is not rules at all. You have learnt the wrong lesson from history.

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          That’s not the only reason it can’t last. From Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascisim:

          For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such a “final solution” implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament.

          And also:

          To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the U.S., a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.

          Since it can never be at peace, it constantly needs to create an enemy. The worst thing that can happen is defeating that enemy. It still has to have an enemy to focus on, or else people start to notice that the leaders have no idea how to solve actual problems.

          So it needs to create a new enemy, but to do that, they have to carve one out of the existing population. This means the “acceptable” people shrink each cycle. It doesn’t take long before the “enemies” make up too much of the population to be sustainable.

          Another reason is the mechanics of cult of personalities. They rarely survive their leader. Mormon’s and Scientology are often cited as examples, but they’re the exception. There’s thousands of little cults nobody has ever heard of that dissolve when the leader dies.

          Hitler had maybe three to five decades of natural life left when he took the Chancellorship. That’s the longest it could possibly have lasted. Trump doesn’t have that. He has maybe one decade left, and that’s pushing it.