It is a perfectly normal moral response to despise an administration whose core values are treason, greed, corruption, pedophilia, rape, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, bigotry, incompetence, and ignorance. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging those FACTS, and making the decision to disbelieve that ANYTHING that comes out of this administration, and assume that ANYTHING they do is motivated almost primarily by either greed or cruelty.
Your list of positives is lame Drug prices lowered - on a handful of drugs. And we’re supposed to thank them for giving us the bare minimum, their table scraps. They could lower the prices of all drugs, they could give Americans health care, etc., but let’s give them credit for doing the bare minimum, as they take our health care away. The rest is more of the same. Trump Administration bipartisanship consists of MAGA threatening Schmuckie Schumer, and him folding. “See, the Democrats agree with us!”
MAGA is evil, and that evil corrupts everything it touches. I do not acknowledge that anything they’ve done is valid.
I will not apologize for standing by that. Anyone who give any defense or support of MAGA is painted with the same brush.
I agree with you that this administration is evil. We have the same opinion of them. We’re on the same side in that regard. And I’m not even saying you’re wrong to despise them. I agree that’s normal and even right.
But when you decide to begin rejecting reality. When you start calling bad things good and good things bad. When you start ignoring the evidence of your own eyes and justifying conspiracy theories because your hatred is more important than the truth. That’s when you lose me. And based on this thread, it seems like that’s where you’re losing most people. And hurting your own cause.
All I’m saying is that this administration is so beyond evil and normal, that I immediately reject EVERYTHING that they say or do, and I do it unapologetically. They will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt from me.
“Oh, I voted for Mr. Hitler because he’d be good for the economy. You can’t blame all that Jew killing stuff on me.” - German citizen, 1946
As far as I’m concerned, IF we ever take our country back, one of the first orders of business should to reverse literally EVERY piece of MAGA legislation or EOs. Then pass the right legislation to fix whatever they “fixed,” because it’s guaranteed that the only solution that was ever considered was the one that makes them all money.
Since you brought Hitler into this…
Clearly it’s never okay with Hitler. Terribly evil person. If you agree with Hitler on literally anything, you are complicit in the Holocaust.
Hitler loved dogs. Huge fan of them. He had three (well, one and Eva Braun had two). He let his dog sleep in the bed with him. Took it with him everywhere. He was a huge dog lover. Big fan.
Am I required to hate dogs because, by saying dogs are good, I’m agreeing with Hitler? It’s clearly a terribly evil thing to agree with Hitler, right? So I think the only possible moral stance is to hate dogs with every fiber of your being? Isn’t that right?
I mean, yes, it’s the most extreme version of your position highlighting how ridiculous it is. The hope was that it would highlight to you how silly your reasoning was. If your ideology is predicated on doing the opposite of someone you hate, it requires you to take absolutely nonsensical positions.
But engaging with that requires self reflection, and that’s hard.
But I’m game to call it here as well, if you like. Thanks for the debate. I’ve had fun. :)
Bottom line: The Sociopathic Oligarchs think pennies are important enough to take them away from us. If they want them so badly, I want mine, too. Those guys shouldn’t get anything that the rest of us don’t get, too.
It is a perfectly normal moral response to despise an administration whose core values are treason, greed, corruption, pedophilia, rape, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, bigotry, incompetence, and ignorance. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging those FACTS, and making the decision to disbelieve that ANYTHING that comes out of this administration, and assume that ANYTHING they do is motivated almost primarily by either greed or cruelty.
Your list of positives is lame Drug prices lowered - on a handful of drugs. And we’re supposed to thank them for giving us the bare minimum, their table scraps. They could lower the prices of all drugs, they could give Americans health care, etc., but let’s give them credit for doing the bare minimum, as they take our health care away. The rest is more of the same. Trump Administration bipartisanship consists of MAGA threatening Schmuckie Schumer, and him folding. “See, the Democrats agree with us!”
MAGA is evil, and that evil corrupts everything it touches. I do not acknowledge that anything they’ve done is valid. I will not apologize for standing by that. Anyone who give any defense or support of MAGA is painted with the same brush.
And I think we’ve reached the impasse.
I agree with you that this administration is evil. We have the same opinion of them. We’re on the same side in that regard. And I’m not even saying you’re wrong to despise them. I agree that’s normal and even right.
But when you decide to begin rejecting reality. When you start calling bad things good and good things bad. When you start ignoring the evidence of your own eyes and justifying conspiracy theories because your hatred is more important than the truth. That’s when you lose me. And based on this thread, it seems like that’s where you’re losing most people. And hurting your own cause.
All I’m saying is that this administration is so beyond evil and normal, that I immediately reject EVERYTHING that they say or do, and I do it unapologetically. They will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt from me.
“Oh, I voted for Mr. Hitler because he’d be good for the economy. You can’t blame all that Jew killing stuff on me.” - German citizen, 1946
As far as I’m concerned, IF we ever take our country back, one of the first orders of business should to reverse literally EVERY piece of MAGA legislation or EOs. Then pass the right legislation to fix whatever they “fixed,” because it’s guaranteed that the only solution that was ever considered was the one that makes them all money.
Since you brought Hitler into this… Clearly it’s never okay with Hitler. Terribly evil person. If you agree with Hitler on literally anything, you are complicit in the Holocaust.
Hitler loved dogs. Huge fan of them. He had three (well, one and Eva Braun had two). He let his dog sleep in the bed with him. Took it with him everywhere. He was a huge dog lover. Big fan.
Am I required to hate dogs because, by saying dogs are good, I’m agreeing with Hitler? It’s clearly a terribly evil thing to agree with Hitler, right? So I think the only possible moral stance is to hate dogs with every fiber of your being? Isn’t that right?
That’s what your position feels like.
Now you’re just being silly. Later, gator.
I mean, yes, it’s the most extreme version of your position highlighting how ridiculous it is. The hope was that it would highlight to you how silly your reasoning was. If your ideology is predicated on doing the opposite of someone you hate, it requires you to take absolutely nonsensical positions.
But engaging with that requires self reflection, and that’s hard.
But I’m game to call it here as well, if you like. Thanks for the debate. I’ve had fun. :)
Bottom line: The Sociopathic Oligarchs think pennies are important enough to take them away from us. If they want them so badly, I want mine, too. Those guys shouldn’t get anything that the rest of us don’t get, too.
Have a great week!