There’s what AI could’ve been (collaborative and awesome), and then there’s what the billionaire class is pushing today (exploitative shit that they hit everyone over the head with until they say they like it). But the folks frothing at the mouth over it are unwilling to listen to why so many people are against the AI we’ve had forced upon us today.
Yesterday, Copilot hallucinated four different functions when I asked it to refactor a ~20 line TS function, despite me handing it 2 helper files that contained everything available for it to use. If I can’t confidently ask it to do anything, it’s immediately useless to me. It’s like being stuck with an impulsive liar that you have to get the truth out of.
Carmack is an AI sent from the future, so he’s a bit biased.
Oh man this thing is amazing, it’s got some good memory as room layouts weren’t changing on me whenever they left the view unlike previous attempts I’ve seen with Minecraft.
https://copilot.microsoft.com/wham?features=labs-wham-enabled
What are you talking about? It looks like shit, it plays like shit and the overall experience is shit. And it isn’t even clear what the goal is? There are so many better ways to incorporate AI into game development, if one wanted to and I’m not sure we want to.
I have seen people argue this is what the technology can do today, imagine in a couple of years. However that seems very naive. The rate at which barriers are reached have no impact on how hard it is to break through those barriers. And as often in life, diminishing returns are a bitch.
Microsoft bet big on this AI thing, because they have been lost in what to do ever since they released things like the Windows Phone and Windows 8. They don’t know how to innovate anymore, so they are going all in on AI. Shitting out new gimmicks at light speed to see which gain traction.
(Please note I’m talking about the consumer and small business side of Microsoft. Microsoft is a huge company with divisions that act almost like seperate companies within. Their Azure branch for example has been massively successful and does innovate just fine.)
What are you talking about? For the technology it looks and plays amazing. This is a nice steady increase in capability, all one can hope for with any technology.
I don’t care about Microsoft, or what is commercially successful.
AAA dev here.
Carmack is correct. I expect to be dogpiled by uninformed disagreements, though, because on social media all AI = Bad and no nuance is allowed. If that’s your knee-jerk reaction, please refrain for a moment and calmly re-think through your position.
EDIT: lol called it
AAAA dev here.
Carmack is incorrect.
Prove it.
What AI tools are you personally looking forward to or already using?
Stable Diffusion does a lot already, for static pictures. I get good use out of Eleven for voice work, when I want something that isn’t my own narration.
I’m really looking forward to all of these new AI features in DaVinci Resolve 20. These are actual useful features that would improve my workflow. I already made good use of the “Create Subtitles From Audio” feature to streamline subtitling.
Good AI tools are out there. They are just invisibility doing the work for people that pay attention while all of the billionaires make noise about LLMs that do almost nothing.
I compare it to CGI. The very best CGI are the effects you don’t even notice. The worst CGI is when you try to employ it in every place that it’s not designed for.
Not me personally, as AI can’t really replicate my work (I’m a senior sound designer on a big game), but a few colleagues of mine have already begun reaping the workflow improvements of AI at their studio.
Obviously AI is coming for sound designers too. You know that right? https://elevenlabs.io/sound-effects
And if you work on games and you haven’t seen your industry decimated in the past 16 months, I want to know what rock you have been living under and if there’s room for one more.
Okay, dude. Mute this video (no cheating by listening to it first; you have to act like a REAL designer here), then use that AI to generate for me some sound design that works for the visuals at the timestamp. Should be simple to do better than the sound designers over at Riot for an expert like yourself with access to an AI that makes their expertise irrelevant and will totally steal their job.
Oh, what’s that? It sounds awful and doesn’t represent the character at all? Hmm…
I love when regular folks act like they understand things better than industry insiders near the top of their respective field. It’s genuinely amusing.
Let me ask you a simple question: do YOU want to play a game with mediocre, lowest-common-denominator-generated AI audio (case-in-point, that AI audio generator sounds like dogshit and would never fly in a retail product)? Or do you want something crafted by a human with feelings (a thing an AI model does not have) and the ability to create unique design crafted specifically to create emotional resonance within you (and thing an AI has exactly zero intuition for) that is specifically tailored for the game in question, as any good piece of art demands?
Answers on a postcard, thanks. The market agrees with me as well; no AI-produced game is winning at the Game Awards any time even remotely soon, because nobody wants to play stuff like that. And you know what’s even funnier? We TRIED to use tools like this a few years ago when they began appearing on the market, and we very quickly ditched them because they sounded like ass, even when we built our own proprietary models and trained them on our own designed assets. Turns out you can’t tell a plagiarism machine to be original and good because it doesn’t know what either of those things mean. Hell, even sound design plugins that try to do exactly what you’re talking about have kinda failed in the market for the exact reasons I just mentioned. People aren’t buying Combobulator, they’re buying Serum 2 in droves.
And no, I have not seen my industry decimated by AI. Talk to any experienced AAA game dev on LinkedIn or any one of our public-facing Discord servers; it’s not really a thing. There still is and always will be a huge demand for art specifically created by humans and for humans for the exact reasons listed above. What has ACTUALLY decimated my industry is the overvaluation and inflation of everything in the economy, and now the low interest rates put in place to counter it, which is leading to layoffs once giant games don’t generate the insane profit targets suits have, which is likely what you are erroneously attributing to AI displacement.
Do you remember the music from the last Marvel film you watched?
I don’t.
Quality isn’t directly correlated to success. Buy a modern pair of Nikes or… Go to McDonalds, play a modern mobile game.
I love when industry insiders think they’re so untouchable that a budget cut wouldn’t have them on the chopping block. You’re defensive because its your ass on the line, not because its true.
People gargle shit products and pay for them willingly all day long. So much so that it’s practically the norm. You’re just insulated from it, for now.
“Oh no, all my quality work won’t be in the next marvel movie or in mcdonalds’ next happy-meal promo campaign, darn. Guess I’ll have to make and sell something else.”
~ Literally every artist with a modicum of talent, ambition and a brain
What’s your favorite big-budget, AI-generated game/movie/show that you’ve given money to, again?
This is such a flimsy argument that it’s barely worth responding to. People by-and-large are absolutely sick of Marvel slop and still seek quality art elsewhere; this is not a novel concept, nor will it be outmoded by the introduction of AI. The internet and entertainment industry at large is still actively exploding with monetized, unique, quality content because not everybody wants slop; most people are actively sick of it. Talented visual artists are still and will continue to be hired in the entertainment industry and will also continue to be able to independently release stuff online because they have their own individual perspective and the x-factor of “human creativity” that AI slop just cannot compete with. Interesting that you didn’t address that, but what’s also interesting is you’re touching upon the reason most people are mad; AI models tend to churn out mediocre work, and people feel threatened because they aren’t good enough at their craft to compete with it, so instead of becoming better they scream at anybody trying to advance the technology of their particular discipline for taking away extremely easy kinds of work that they barely had to do anything to get before (patreon commissions, etc.). Work a tad harder, try to express yourself more effectively and I promise you somebody will value your work above the forgettable music from “The Eternals”. People with talent tend to break through if they try hard enough, it’s not rocket science.
And I addressed the budget-cut thing earlier, so no I am not acting the way you described. Budget cuts are not an AI problem, they’re a capitalism problem, as I stated previously. Please read.
INB4 people scream “survivorship bias”. No, you’re just not good enough, and you’d rather scream and yell at sensible takes from every expert in their field or craft than accept that fact. Legitimately. I know you don’t like hearing that, but you need to accept it in order to improve. Get better at your craft. If you can’t make stuff with greater quality than AI slop, you’re not going to be capable of making things that resonate with people anyway. AI will never be able to do this, and this kind of quality creates sales. AI will be used, sure, but it will be leveraged to improve efficiency, not replace artists
At this point, it should be obvious that no one is downvoting you because they believe you’re wrong. Rather, its because you’re an inflated, insecure douchebag who’s so threatened by the opinions of two federated users on the ass end of the internet, that he feels the need to write an essay about it, not to us, no, to his own ego.
And for the record, I’m not one of the believers. On a long enough timeline, you’ll be playing birthday parties dressed as a cowboy. Ai is improving while people have a bell curve. It’s only a matter of time. Cheers. I hope you find happiness one day.
I get it, AI has some significant downsides, but people go way overboard. You don’t have to tell people who use AI to kill themselves.
Somebody didn’t watch Terminator 2
Considering that the AI craze is what’s fueling the shortage and massive increase in GPU prices, I really don’t see gamers ever embracing AI.
Speak for yourself. As an avid gamer I am excitedly looking towards the future of AI in games. Good models (with context buffers much longer than the .9s in this demo) have the potential to revolutionise the gaming industry.
I really don’t understand the amount of LLM/AI hate in Lemmy. It is a tool with many potential uses.
