Your opinion that nobody deserves to be killed is really rare, historically. King Arthur killed people. Achilles killed people. Moses killed people. Sun Wukong killed people. Superman is probably the first superhero in history who didn’t regularly kill people.
What I’m saying is that people who celebrate violence are normal and your pacifism is a weird and hypocritical trend that won’t be popular for very long.
George Washington understood that. He fought and sent people to their deaths for the freedom you now enjoy. Show some patriotism and appreciate the value of violence.
Your opinion that nobody deserves to be killed is really rare, historically.
Not really: ahimsa from dharmic traditions is ancient.
Pacifism isn’t novel: found in Mohist school in Taoism & various ancient cultures.
Appeal to force is irrational.
I think you’re mischaracterizing their objection as concerning violence rather than shitty thinking that creates the kinds of problems the thinkers oppose.
Injustice regardless of cause is injustice and not what we’re fighting for.
A just cause begins with not abandoning truth, integrity, justice to zealotry that creates the kinds of problems we’re opposing: we can support causes without being assholes.
Celebrating deaths of Nazis wasn’t the point, either, so your irrelevance derailed the conversation & I was setting it back on track while correcting your false assumptions.
The point was zealots share styles of shitty thinking that induce similar shitty tendencies leading to hypocrisy.
To recount, the top comment stated
This argument never made sense to me.
and the comment above yours elaborated on “this argument”
shared hobby with fascists of sharing videos of people being assaulted or killed and talking about how much they deserved it
are enforcing groupthink in a similar way
It feels like they are playing the same game and must share many of the same ways of thinking, even if they are nominally on different teams.
That’s where you fixated on violence instead of getting the general idea as I stated before
you’re mischaracterizing their objection as concerning violence
Zealotry with its baggage of shitty thinking & willingness to endorse injustices isn’t necessary to oppose fascism or support good causes.
The fascist mindset is about superiority, not violence. They’re white supremacists. A violent mindset isn’t a fascist mindset, it’s just called being normal.
You should be more concerned with celebrating the violent deeds of the heroes who brought us our liberty. It’s concerning that you don’t love George Washington for all the Redcoats he killed.
Celebrating the deaths of authoritarians is one of those country’s founding values.
The fascist mindset is about superiority, not violence.
Nah, those guys hate themselves, the idea they’re superior is surface level cope. Look at the content right wing extremists are consuming and how they are using it; it’s the emotional weight of violence being employed for self inflicted brain damage, dogmatic cult building through manipulation and artificial trauma eg. hazing.
Well, the left wing is about self-love. It’s about gay pride, and worker solidarity. I’m part of a left wing cult, and our leader, Jesus Christ, tells us to love our neighbours and ourselves, and says we all have the power to move mountains. So I don’t think you need to worry about our violence leading to fascism. It’s right wing groups like capitalists and Christians (followers of Paul) you need to watch out for, because they teach self-hatred and then sell their followers superiority as the cure. Kind of like Zuko from Avatar when Iroh was explaining that his pride was the source of his shame.
Your opinion that nobody deserves to be killed is really rare, historically. King Arthur killed people. Achilles killed people. Moses killed people. Sun Wukong killed people. Superman is probably the first superhero in history who didn’t regularly kill people.
What I’m saying is that people who celebrate violence are normal and your pacifism is a weird and hypocritical trend that won’t be popular for very long.
George Washington understood that. He fought and sent people to their deaths for the freedom you now enjoy. Show some patriotism and appreciate the value of violence.
Not really: ahimsa from dharmic traditions is ancient. Pacifism isn’t novel: found in Mohist school in Taoism & various ancient cultures. Appeal to force is irrational.
I think you’re mischaracterizing their objection as concerning violence rather than shitty thinking that creates the kinds of problems the thinkers oppose. Injustice regardless of cause is injustice and not what we’re fighting for.
A just cause begins with not abandoning truth, integrity, justice to zealotry that creates the kinds of problems we’re opposing: we can support causes without being assholes.
But nothing you just said is contradictory to celebrating the deaths of Nazis, so that can’t be relevant to this conversation
Celebrating deaths of Nazis wasn’t the point, either, so your irrelevance derailed the conversation & I was setting it back on track while correcting your false assumptions.
The point was zealots share styles of shitty thinking that induce similar shitty tendencies leading to hypocrisy.
To recount, the top comment stated
and the comment above yours elaborated on “this argument”
That’s where you fixated on violence instead of getting the general idea as I stated before
Zealotry with its baggage of shitty thinking & willingness to endorse injustices isn’t necessary to oppose fascism or support good causes.
My point is more that being fixated on it in that way reflects a mindset that is the same as fascists.
The rest of your comment seems like some kind of joke which is a little funny with your username, but it’s a serious topic so idk.
Here, maybe this will help. I found it just a few posts down:
The fascist mindset is about superiority, not violence. They’re white supremacists. A violent mindset isn’t a fascist mindset, it’s just called being normal.
You should be more concerned with celebrating the violent deeds of the heroes who brought us our liberty. It’s concerning that you don’t love George Washington for all the Redcoats he killed.
Celebrating the deaths of authoritarians is one of those country’s founding values.
Nah, those guys hate themselves, the idea they’re superior is surface level cope. Look at the content right wing extremists are consuming and how they are using it; it’s the emotional weight of violence being employed for self inflicted brain damage, dogmatic cult building through manipulation and artificial trauma eg. hazing.
Well, the left wing is about self-love. It’s about gay pride, and worker solidarity. I’m part of a left wing cult, and our leader, Jesus Christ, tells us to love our neighbours and ourselves, and says we all have the power to move mountains. So I don’t think you need to worry about our violence leading to fascism. It’s right wing groups like capitalists and Christians (followers of Paul) you need to watch out for, because they teach self-hatred and then sell their followers superiority as the cure. Kind of like Zuko from Avatar when Iroh was explaining that his pride was the source of his shame.
Holy shit another guy who considers Paul to be a usurper! There must be dozens of us
Alright well your point is wrong.