“Refuse illegal orders” is like the military version of “stop paying taxes and stop going to work” but at least a magnitude worse. It sounds good and virtuous but there are practical life-changing consequences for doing so.
UCMJ will chew you up and throw you to the side very quickly. Prison is almost a certainty. A dishonorable discharge hangs on you like a felony conviction. And that’s assuming they won’t use illegal force on you or your family.
It sounds good and virtuous but there are practical life-changing consequences for doing so.
There are practical life changing consequences to protesting. Ask some of the hippies who marched for Civil Rights (while they are still around…) and how often they have a “just checking in” visit from a sheriff or get pulled out of line at the airport for enhanced screening. Let alone anyone who goes farther than marching and chanting.
UCMJ will chew you up and throw you to the side very quickly.
Oh noes! The fascists giving unlawful orders won’t give you any more unlawful orders!
Prison is almost a certainty. A dishonorable discharge hangs on you like a felony conviction. And that’s assuming they won’t use illegal force on you or your family.
All of that is happening to people resisting ICE. Even being spotted recording/documenting the brutal assault of “illegals” puts you at risk of that.
But hey. I get it. Resisting tyranny and fighting for The People is scary. Why would I expect the military to ever be brave enough to do that? They only received training in how to oppress a populace. How can they be expected to put on an inflatable frog costume and dance?
I mean that’s probably why its best (for the individuals serving at least) to quit, once you quit you don’t have to make the decision to obey or disobey orders, so you don’t need to deal with court-martials either way.
Unfortunately, this also means that everyone who stays are probably morally corrupt and would not longer adhere to the constitution.
You can’t just quit the military except in some small cases like this colonel and other officers. The entire enlisted side not in retirement availability range are locked in.
“Refuse illegal orders” is like the military version of “stop paying taxes and stop going to work” but at least a magnitude worse. It sounds good and virtuous but there are practical life-changing consequences for doing so.
UCMJ will chew you up and throw you to the side very quickly. Prison is almost a certainty. A dishonorable discharge hangs on you like a felony conviction. And that’s assuming they won’t use illegal force on you or your family.
There are practical life changing consequences to protesting. Ask some of the hippies who marched for Civil Rights (while they are still around…) and how often they have a “just checking in” visit from a sheriff or get pulled out of line at the airport for enhanced screening. Let alone anyone who goes farther than marching and chanting.
Oh noes! The fascists giving unlawful orders won’t give you any more unlawful orders!
All of that is happening to people resisting ICE. Even being spotted recording/documenting the brutal assault of “illegals” puts you at risk of that.
But hey. I get it. Resisting tyranny and fighting for The People is scary. Why would I expect the military to ever be brave enough to do that? They only received training in how to oppress a populace. How can they be expected to put on an inflatable frog costume and dance?
Ucmj will screw you up if you do follow illegal orders too. There’s a ucmj that everyone has the local obligation to refuse an illegal ordere
I mean that’s probably why its best (for the individuals serving at least) to quit, once you quit you don’t have to make the decision to obey or disobey orders, so you don’t need to deal with court-martials either way.
Unfortunately, this also means that everyone who stays are probably morally corrupt and would not longer adhere to the constitution.
You can’t just quit the military except in some small cases like this colonel and other officers. The entire enlisted side not in retirement availability range are locked in.
But it’s the brass we need on side
Sure, I just wanted to speak against the implication anyone staying is happy for the ride they’re on.