I am sure this article has been shared before, however I wanted to have a look at this topic.
The articles short summary is this:

All 25 car brands we researched earned our *Privacy Not Included warning label – making cars the worst category of products that we have ever reviewed

I am currently driving a 2014 Ford Fiesta which just has a radio with a CD player and Bluetooth. I do not need more than that in a car.

The reason I am looking at all is that that the Fiesta does not belong to me and the friend owning it will be moving out in a bit, so I kinda need another one.

There seems to be one brand that is not as bad as the other ones (but still bad): Renault; mozilla’s review
Maybe I will have a look at their cars.

What do you guys think? Stick to older used cars and not use an EV or look at which of the manufacturers have the least bad privacy policy?

  • jmf@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    The OP would rather an EV which tend to be newer. ICE you get a lot more years to pick from, some of which are pretty simple/low tech.

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      ICE you get a lot more years to pick from, some of which are pretty simple/low tech.

      I have a couple vehicles that fall into this category. 1980 Mercedes 240D, and a 1980 Honda XR500. Dead simple vehicles. The Benz will happily continue running with zero battery. The XR only requires a whole 3 wires to run, and since it’s kickstarted, no battery is required at all.

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        Ive owned a lot of old diesel Mercedes. Yes, it will run forever but you have to adjust the valves and check the chain stretch annually and no one will do this for you so you will be stained black from diesel engine oil. All the accessories will stop working including the electric windows, except the oil pressure gauge and the speedometer which doesn’t matter in a 240 anyway. The drivers seat will lean outboard and the ignition cylinder will break and leave your key stuck in ACC. The subframe bushings will go and you’ll be waggling your tail at everyone behind, you hot little diesel tart.

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          Ive owned a lot of old diesel Mercedes.

          You. I like you. Know any good parts sources besides Pelican?

          Yes, it will run forever but you have to adjust the valves and check the chain stretch annually and no one will do this for you so you will be stained black from diesel engine oil.

          I’m aware. It has nearly 500k miles on the odo already. Valve adjustments are easy. Though I’m curious - does the engine need to come out to change the chain if it’s too stretched? There’s plenty of room…

          All the accessories will stop working including the electric windows, except the oil pressure gauge and the speedometer which doesn’t matter in a 240 anyway.

          Mine is a base model with crank windows and manual climate controls. The door locks barely work as it is; I’ll be replacing them anyway though.

          The oil pressure gauge is also leaking a bit. Any tips on an electric replacement? Or should I just fix what’s in there?

          Oh! Believe it or not, the AC still works. Barely. But it works.

          The drivers seat will lean outboard

          Too late.

          and the ignition cylinder will break and leave your key stuck in ACC.

          That’s good to know. What should I look for before this happens?

          The subframe bushings will go and you’ll be waggling your tail at everyone behind, you hot little diesel tart.

          This one seems to drive quite nice for its age and miles. Though we shall see how it does

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            19 hours ago

            AC in a 240 huh…you have to block off time in Outlook for onramps.

            I still have my gasser W116 (also with crank windows lol) but havent ordered parts in forever. I think I used to use Peachparts sometimes? And EBay of course.

            The locks and AC are probably related. Even the manual AC has vacuum pods I think. Buy a Mityvac and start chasing vacuum leaks. Probably cracked runner connectors, but if your trans shifts 1-2 hard too there’s a bigger leak.

            Timing chain can be done in the car. Get the manual on CD, shows you everything.

            Keep mechanical oil gauge, electric ones are junk. Bet you anything the flare fitting on the back is just loose. Screw it down, or replace the gauge with another one.

            You’ll probably get a keybhang or two resolved by wiggling before your key gets stuck. Keep a light key chain and I think a little graphite lube in the lock helps, but you can preemptively just replace it with a new cylinder from Mercedes, keyed to your code. Or you used to be able to. At any rate a hung key is bad juju.

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              19 hours ago

              Right on, thanks!

              The locks and AC are probably related. Even the manual AC has vacuum pods I think. Buy a Mityvac and start chasing vacuum leaks.

              Good to know. Already got a mityvac specifically for this car. The system definitely has a few leaks, I can only get maybe two lock cycles in before it’s done for (with the locks that still work, anyway)

              Probably cracked runner connectors, but if your trans shifts 1-2 hard too there’s a bigger leak.

              Forgot to mention - it’s a manual transmission 😅

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      His current car is 11 years old and you can easily find 11-years old EVs.

      You’re saying OP might want to trade his 11 year old car for a 12 year old ICE.