Server OS is in no way comparable to desktop OS…saying Linux is king of servers means nothing to users, because Linux is not even close to having any significant market share on desktop. Linux desktop still have tons of quirks and weirdness that needs to be fixed before it has a chance of mass adoption, not to mention the vast compatibility issues with especially corporate software.
I encounter quicks and weirdnesses on the windows laptop for work, which won’t even fucking properly sleep or don’t fucking update by itself even after trying to stop it for a while, rather than on Linux.
Can you name any such quirks and annoyances on Linux specifically? Because I can give you plenty on windows, while Linux the past 10 years or so maintains my sanity.
Sleep mode that doesn’t work consistently, WiFi driver issues, printer driver issues, touchpad driver issues, several different wonky ways to install programs instead of just double-clicking an .exe and pressing “next-next-OK”, random shutdown of programs for no reason or error codes…the list goes on. And on topnof that, all the stuff that people are used to using that just doesn’t run on Linux at all.
My WiFi doesn’t work at all on my desktop. Though it’s worked on a live image from another distro so seems likely to be an issue with the distro’s distributed kernel, not a Linux one. I run a rolling release distro so won’t be that the kernel is too old. But don’t care so haven’t troubleshot it much. My printer requires the use of vendor provided drivers, which are only available for some distros. It works, but not a solution I’m happy with. Never had touchpad issues.
several different wonky ways to install programs instead of just double-clicking an .exe and pressing “next-next-OK”,
I think package repos > collecting and installing your software piecemeal from all over the place. But having to deal with repos, flatpaks, appimages, etc. can be daunting.
random shutdown of programs for no reason or error codes
Sounds like an OOM process kill maybe? That’ll show in your kernel logs if so. But no immediate visual feedback.
…the list goes on. And on topnof that, all the stuff that people are used to using that just doesn’t run on Linux at all.
If there’s proprietary software that doesn’t run on Linux that someone wants/needs to run and there aren’t any viable alternatives then yeah, probably a non-starter. There’s wine of course but it can be a crapshoot. No shade intended towards the project. It’s amazing what it can do, even if it can’t do everything.
Because Windows is so polished, flawless and frictionless, right? I don’t believe it will EVER be the “year of the Linux desktop” because that’s not even a thing, so I agree with you there. However, the one thing none of you Windows-defenders can’t argue with is the fact that an extremely large percentage of people that try Linux, after a while, end up forgetting all about windows and never come back.
You can argue all you want in terms of marketshare, but that’s all Windows has working for it. It’s not because it’s stable, or because it’s ‘user friendly’ and certainly not because it’s beautiful.
And it’s been years since using CLI is entirely optional, unless you break something catastrophically (short of a hardware failure, guess what, you’d need CLI to make this happen). You can do everything over GUI. In Windows, anything that is even remotely damaged turns into a fucking reinstall that usually takes hours, vs just reinstalling ANY Linux distro, while keeping your home partition intact, only because you’re bored and want to try something else, which takes around 15 minutes.
See how all your rant makes no sense at all? Once you’ve driven a Bentley, you’d be hard pressed to return to a Honda Civic.
I use Mint on my daily driver laptop, and I’m not defending windows, but the fact that things are way less intuitive in Linux makes it less user friendly and not a good solution for non-techies. I mean, I have to use one of 3 different ways of installing something depending in what the dev kind of feels for, that’s insanely terrible UX.
The installation options for software (not OS), in the vast majority of cases (apps) we are given the option of FlatPak, appimage or packages (and fucking Snaps), and choosing a GUI ‘app store’ or CLI. Yes there are cases in which you only have 1 option, but those are not the rule, but the exception. How exactly is this worse than in Windows having to download a .exe file and go through a whole lot of ‘accept’ dialogs, or Windows store? Isn’t this more accessible and friendlier to any taste? One of the reasons my wife is so sold on Fedora Workstation on her PC (while having to use Windows on her laptop because of some backwards bullshit system she needs to maintain our company taxes) is because, believe it or not, stuff just works, anything she wants to do has an option in the ‘Software’ app for her to just install, and move on (mostly FlatPaks). Windows is constantly giving her issues, pushing crap she’s not interested in, suddenly breaking for no apparent reason, wifi randomly disconnecting, or the amazingly insightful ‘an error has occurred’ or something like that which only serves to state the obvious with absolutely no way to figure out what the fuck went wrong and try to fix it to avoid it happening again.
You actually think Windows provides a better user experience than the shittiest Linux distro with the most horrible DE or WM? You’re out of your mind man.
No Linux distro is perfect, but Windows is objectively the biggest pain in the ass to install, maintain, use and even shut down.
I’ll challenge you, or anyone, to purposely break your windows system, to the point that reinstalling is the only option to get that computer back up and running, and do the same with any Linux distro (short of fucking Arch). See what provides you with more frustration and longer down time. This is the one thing in which Windows wins every time, fucking down time and frustration. No other OS comes even close.
It’s significantly more secure than windows, but yes there is much more malware available for MacOS these days.
I literally have tux tattoo’d on my chest and make my living writing software for Linux … but I’d choose my Mac to develop on every day of the week.
It’s weird that I’m here now, because I do love Linux and wish I could tile like i3 (or even easily replace the Window Managwr at all) but … it’s a easier daily driver for working
I should also add the caveat that if I was buying my own work machine I’d not buy a Mac, but if work is gonna provide the MBP I want my M chip lmao
Server OS is in no way comparable to desktop OS…saying Linux is king of servers means nothing to users, because Linux is not even close to having any significant market share on desktop. Linux desktop still have tons of quirks and weirdness that needs to be fixed before it has a chance of mass adoption, not to mention the vast compatibility issues with especially corporate software.
I encounter quicks and weirdnesses on the windows laptop for work, which won’t even fucking properly sleep or don’t fucking update by itself even after trying to stop it for a while, rather than on Linux.
Can you name any such quirks and annoyances on Linux specifically? Because I can give you plenty on windows, while Linux the past 10 years or so maintains my sanity.
Which reminds me. I can’t even move the taskbar to the left of the screen anymore since windows 11 was forced upon me. Pffft.
Sleep mode that doesn’t work consistently, WiFi driver issues, printer driver issues, touchpad driver issues, several different wonky ways to install programs instead of just double-clicking an .exe and pressing “next-next-OK”, random shutdown of programs for no reason or error codes…the list goes on. And on topnof that, all the stuff that people are used to using that just doesn’t run on Linux at all.
I love Linux, but I admit these are valid. I’ve had some of these same issues.
I haven’t had any issues with sleep on my devices, but I have in the recent past on previous hardware.
My WiFi doesn’t work at all on my desktop. Though it’s worked on a live image from another distro so seems likely to be an issue with the distro’s distributed kernel, not a Linux one. I run a rolling release distro so won’t be that the kernel is too old. But don’t care so haven’t troubleshot it much. My printer requires the use of vendor provided drivers, which are only available for some distros. It works, but not a solution I’m happy with. Never had touchpad issues.
I think package repos > collecting and installing your software piecemeal from all over the place. But having to deal with repos, flatpaks, appimages, etc. can be daunting.
Sounds like an OOM process kill maybe? That’ll show in your kernel logs if so. But no immediate visual feedback.
If there’s proprietary software that doesn’t run on Linux that someone wants/needs to run and there aren’t any viable alternatives then yeah, probably a non-starter. There’s wine of course but it can be a crapshoot. No shade intended towards the project. It’s amazing what it can do, even if it can’t do everything.
Because Windows is so polished, flawless and frictionless, right? I don’t believe it will EVER be the “year of the Linux desktop” because that’s not even a thing, so I agree with you there. However, the one thing none of you Windows-defenders can’t argue with is the fact that an extremely large percentage of people that try Linux, after a while, end up forgetting all about windows and never come back.
You can argue all you want in terms of marketshare, but that’s all Windows has working for it. It’s not because it’s stable, or because it’s ‘user friendly’ and certainly not because it’s beautiful.
And it’s been years since using CLI is entirely optional, unless you break something catastrophically (short of a hardware failure, guess what, you’d need CLI to make this happen). You can do everything over GUI. In Windows, anything that is even remotely damaged turns into a fucking reinstall that usually takes hours, vs just reinstalling ANY Linux distro, while keeping your home partition intact, only because you’re bored and want to try something else, which takes around 15 minutes.
See how all your rant makes no sense at all? Once you’ve driven a Bentley, you’d be hard pressed to return to a Honda Civic.
I use Mint on my daily driver laptop, and I’m not defending windows, but the fact that things are way less intuitive in Linux makes it less user friendly and not a good solution for non-techies. I mean, I have to use one of 3 different ways of installing something depending in what the dev kind of feels for, that’s insanely terrible UX.
The installation options for software (not OS), in the vast majority of cases (apps) we are given the option of FlatPak, appimage or packages (and fucking Snaps), and choosing a GUI ‘app store’ or CLI. Yes there are cases in which you only have 1 option, but those are not the rule, but the exception. How exactly is this worse than in Windows having to download a .exe file and go through a whole lot of ‘accept’ dialogs, or Windows store? Isn’t this more accessible and friendlier to any taste? One of the reasons my wife is so sold on Fedora Workstation on her PC (while having to use Windows on her laptop because of some backwards bullshit system she needs to maintain our company taxes) is because, believe it or not, stuff just works, anything she wants to do has an option in the ‘Software’ app for her to just install, and move on (mostly FlatPaks). Windows is constantly giving her issues, pushing crap she’s not interested in, suddenly breaking for no apparent reason, wifi randomly disconnecting, or the amazingly insightful ‘an error has occurred’ or something like that which only serves to state the obvious with absolutely no way to figure out what the fuck went wrong and try to fix it to avoid it happening again.
You actually think Windows provides a better user experience than the shittiest Linux distro with the most horrible DE or WM? You’re out of your mind man.
No Linux distro is perfect, but Windows is objectively the biggest pain in the ass to install, maintain, use and even shut down.
I’ll challenge you, or anyone, to purposely break your windows system, to the point that reinstalling is the only option to get that computer back up and running, and do the same with any Linux distro (short of fucking Arch). See what provides you with more frustration and longer down time. This is the one thing in which Windows wins every time, fucking down time and frustration. No other OS comes even close.
I love my Mac for development work, but the Mac window manager is more buggy than i3 window manager in Linux.
And much less secure.
But yeah we use all three big OSes work. The OS should be the least important part of the machine honestly. Programs are what are important.
It’s significantly more secure than windows, but yes there is much more malware available for MacOS these days.
I literally have tux tattoo’d on my chest and make my living writing software for Linux … but I’d choose my Mac to develop on every day of the week.
It’s weird that I’m here now, because I do love Linux and wish I could tile like i3 (or even easily replace the Window Managwr at all) but … it’s a easier daily driver for working
I should also add the caveat that if I was buying my own work machine I’d not buy a Mac, but if work is gonna provide the MBP I want my M chip lmao