Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war
www.theguardian.com
Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000
  • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    3 days ago

    This could only be ‘shocking’ because “war” is a misleading misnomer used to obfuscate the nature of the occupation.

          • thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            111·
            2 days ago

            You are incorrectly conflating two different things:

            The word holocaust existed in the English language prior to the 1930s, and was only later appropriated into the proper noun you reference to describe the Nazi’s systematic persecution and extermination of Jews, Poles, Romani and other ‘undesirable’ minority groups.

            It derives from the Ancient Greek words “whole” (holos) & “burnt” (kaustos); and was used to describe large-scale destruction, either literally by fire, or figuratively as a descriptor for widespread ruin.

            I used it intentionally to draw the attention to the similarities between the crimes that Israel are now perpetrating on the Palestinian people, to those perpetrated on Jews by Nazi Germany in the 30s & 40s.

            Modern day Israel does not have exclusive rights to the term, nor the ability to use it as a bulwark against criticism for their current barbarism.

            • FauxLiving@lemmy.worldEnglish
              46·
              2 days ago

              and was only later appropriated into the proper noun you reference to describe the Nazi’s systematic persecution and extermination of Jews, Poles, Romani and other ‘undesirable’ minority groups.

              Yes, that’s my point.

              After 1930 it became a proper noun. We’re not speaking Ancient Greek and it’s after the 1930s.

              I see Lemmy is filling up with people (not you, the downvote brigade that exists around politically charged topics) who conflate disagreement about minor issues with being on the other side of the argument. Nuance isn’t Ancient Greek either, but you’d think it was given the way people react on social media.

              • Paragone@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                8 hours ago

                The Rwandan “Machete Season” Holocaust was an actual holocaust.

                No “nation”, not even the nation of Jews or Zionists, has ANY right to pretend that only their subjection-to-genocide was a holocaust.

                The 7 exterminations enforced by the Israelites, according to the old-testament, were the original holocausts.

                ( some places in the bible identify 7 nations, others 6:

                https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20%3A17&version=CJB

                is the verse where it orders the final solution against 6 nations, to get the sense of what HOLOCAUST meant, originally. )

                Hittites, etc, nations, exterminated.

                Leonard Shlain identified that, in his book “The Alphabet Versus The Goddess”, btw: I’d never have noticed it, instead assuming that holocausting was always normal, but it wasn’t…

                ( & he didn’t notice that the Catholic Inquisition holocausted women, ultra-proving his book’s point, as it was the latin-educated who were enforcing that holocausting-of-women, & to a lesser extent, holocausting-of-Jews,

                so his work is corroborated by evidence he didn’t notice, too. )

                Nationalist-narcissism cannot be permitted to false-frame our world: that is machiavellian disinformation, aka highjacking.

                ( the intentional infecting-with-smallpox of the American Indians, by English invaders, was holocausting, just using a different weapon,

                The Rape of Nanking, …

                traipse through history & lots of holocausting becomes visible. )

                I’ve no problem with “The Nazi Holocaust of Jews” being a proper-noun,

                but when any nation presumes that no others’ being genocided, & their genociding-of-others never can be allowed to count, … that narcissism can go eat rocks.

                Read into the Inquisition, & see that it definitely was systematic, it absolutely was at the depopulating-entire-regions scale, 1 German … town? … ( as opposed to city? ) iirc, had only 1 female life left, after they came through

                ( I said female not girl or woman, because I don’t remember her age, not because of the “men & females” false-framing habit that many men have, for those wanting to accuse me of meaning what I didn’t mean )

                No, no nation on this world has exclusive validity, no matter how their scripture tells them that they are the ONLY ones that G-D has chosen.

                That applies to all Abrahamic-religion variants, & all other religion’s variants, too.

                Narcissism is itself, & it isn’t inherently-valid.

                Objectivity shows that genociding/holocausting has happened MANY times in our recorded & archeologically-discoverable history, & displacing false-framing from our world, displacing disinformation from our world, is REQUIRED, if this-species is to exist after this-century’s Great Filter is finished.

                Maybe objectivity/integrity’s simply too-much to ask, of our species…

                If so, then next-century will be silent of humankind.

                _ /\ _

              • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                51·
                2 days ago

                Other meanings don’t magically get removed when a term is used to describe a realatively new event.

              • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pubEnglish
                51·
                2 days ago

                I guess it will have to be appropriated again to also describe the Palestinian holocaust. Their plight is even worse than the Jews IMO, because their whole country became the concentration and extermination camp. They deserve it more.

      • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        3 days ago

        Certainly, but that’s only because you kinda have to kill people (and threaten to continue to do so, ofc) to stop them from living where you wanna settle. 😔

  • mhague@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    2 days ago

    The number of people killed is actually the number of verified dead bodies; it doesn’t include people blown to pieces or buried under debris. I feel like that meaningful difference should always be presented instead of casually simplifying it to “number of people killed.”

  • NatakuNox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    2 days ago

    I would say 6/6 are civilians. Can’t blow up a man’s whole family and act like he’s the terrorist when he retaliates using the only means available.

  • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
    24·
    2 days ago

    There are like 10,000 Hamas members TOTAL so yah if you have 60,000 deaths then BASIC COMMON SENSE would tell you this is clearly a genocidal attack on civilians. I doubt the ratio is even 1:6 because they sure as fuck haven’t eliminated every Hamas member at this point.

  • Sirdubdee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    2 days ago

    A lot of people I ask in person don’t happen to realize the size and population of Gaza compared to the state they live in. When you add that perspective, it might change their perspective.

  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    3 days ago

    What is the future plan for this now? Let’s say we get peace between Israel and Palestine. How can one expect any country to live peacefully next to an other country that has taken a huge bite off its demographic like this?