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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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This guy will only slide slightly back to less fascism. Remember: democrats are in on it. They let the christofacists scare you a little so you think moderate right is better than them “socialisms”.
Taking out the crazies is paramount, but don’t forget the goal. Taking out money from politics, electoral reform, guaranteed public services, reversing the corporate plunder, and all that stuff.
I’m not a fan of Newsome, he’s just another Establishment/Corporatist Democrat, an extension of Bush/Obama/Biden, but the popular response to his strong speech and MAGA trolling proves that Americans are looking for a strong leader who will stand up to the MAGA Nazis.
We will never liberate America from the Nazis with weenies like Schmuck Schumer running the show.
We’ll never liberate America with conservative schmucks wearing blue like Newsom running the show either. He’s controlled opposition at best and actively moving further to the right with his anti-trans MAGA pandering.
Agree. We need Progressives with strength and courage to primary the stodgy dead logs who are taking up space in DC.
We have to beat the useless Establishment Dems before we can beat the MAGA Nazis. We need to be what the Republican Tea Party was in 2010.
so that people don’t forget what as establishrent democrat is, newsom is pro-genocide, a transphobe and pointlessly cruel to the homeless. But as long as he is trolling the other fascists its fine i guess
Yeah, he’s just another Republican Lite.
Let’s not forget that Don Jrs savage ex-beast, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is Newsome’s ex-wife. I don’t know what she was like back then, but at some point in time he could agree with her enough to fall in love and marry her. Perhaps she’s moved more right since then, and he’s moved more left, but the fact that they could ever find common ground is disturbing, and revealing.
If he’s left of center, it’s almost negligible. He may not be MAGA, but he is much closer to a traditional Republicans than a Democrat, and not even close to being Progressive.
who tf cares? i’d vote for a honey badger over a fascist. that doesn’t make this dude a GOOD choice.
Newsom is a fascist.
nah, he’s just a neolib.
You could have voted for the last one that was somehow not perfect, then you would not have this orange monkey shitting himself as a head of state.
Glad that there is a mild learning effect due to recent events
who are you talking to? XD
If you want a liar who believes in big money over people vote for Newsome. Can’t have big oil being yhe only one supporting him.
This is a really easy perspective to have from outside a concentration camp.
I hate Democrats as much as the next informed person, but I’d much rather have political reform under a corporatist than an oligarchy
Martin niemöllers poem comes to mind…
How about this time we do the right thing… There’s no lesser of two evils here.
Its the elite. Whatever their political stance.
There most certainly is a lesser of two evils. You’re speaking from a position of immense privilege to claim the opposite
No I’m not. I was raised on govt cheese and donated Xmas. Open floors and foraging more than shopping.
The only privilege I have in THIS fight, is the Nazis don’t swing at white people as fast.
Im speaking from someone who was born before the moon landing and pushed I to a system of poverty that pulls you down no matter his much false hope is given you . you’re speaking from a position of having others fight for you.
I’m fighting for me and my family. Do what’s right, not convenient.
It might be a less popular opinion, but I’m really hopeful that Tim Walz gets the nod. He’s actually a human as opposed to a politician.
He won’t, they don’t have any dirt on him
The new poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, has Newsom in second place among potential Democratic candidates with 13 percent support, behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26 percent.
The number one spot right now is the woman who lost the last election, while number two is the guy who’s been in the news lately. This is basically just measuring name recognition. It’s more than 3 years until the election, a frontrunner is meaningless at this point.
This is a well known human trait.
This is why marketing is so effective.
Yeah, but you gotta keep calling it out when they use it to try to coronate someone.
Ah yes, Democrats shooting themselves in the foot again right on schedule, fantastic…
If we got to rank choice vote, I would absolutely put Newsom in above every current potential republican candidate, but the list above his name would also be quite long.
The US is a country where dozens of millions of people enthusiastically voted for exactly what we’re getting. The concentration camps, the turbo genocide, the loss of rights, the bigotry – these are requested features, not unintended consequences because that smooth talking senile old man pulled the wool over everybody’s eyes.
And don’t forget that the question of whether there will even be an election for somebody to replace Trump was already a thing before the election.
So yeah, Newsom totally represents what we DON’T want the opposition party to be. He’s conservative clean-cut corporate america, just with a little attitude now to attract attention.
But holy shit please see the full context the american voters have to deal with. Not only do we have a deeply broken and biased voting system that is impossible to change, meaning we will only ever get 2 viable choices, but the political direction of the country is already going at breakneck speed in the wrong direction.
It might be that the accelerationists are right, and that things won’t improve until there’s a revolution and a better new form of government. And I am quite happy with the thought of starting fresh. But if we get to the point of party primaries are occurring, and they let me vote, I’ll choose the progressive that wants to help people. If we get to the general election, I will choose the viable candidate that’s going to do the most good and the least evil.
The time to get a progressive candidate in the white house is now (assuming there’s an election, etc). In November 2028 the only thing left to do is signal your preference between the two remaining candidates or refuse to do so.
I live in a swing state so I personally can’t stomach any general election action except the harm reduction one. Yeah it would be great to replace the whole system, but if I am standing in a voting booth on a November morning looking at a fascist R next to a corpo D next to a few other candidates who will get zero electoral votes, it means we the people have already failed to nominate a progressive and/or replace the government.
Gross.
I knew after the 2nd day of Newsom dick riding on reddit that this is what the democrats will shove down voters throats when the time comes.
What would the democratic party do if they didnt have the republicans to use as a cudgel against thier voters?
The blue conservatives in this comment section are suffering from a terminal case of Stockholm syndrome.
I swear US Democrats learn absolutely nothing. All you have to do is jingle some keys in their faces and they’ll applaud.
This is a guy who wants California Cities to force homeless people to move every 3 days. This is a guy who has threatened to cut funding to cities that don’t “crack down” on homeless people.
This is a guy who simply has one of his interns to write funny twitter posts and NOW he’s suddenly “presidential material”.
And some people honestly wonder how Trump was re-elected.
There are no other options to choose from if we want aggressive responses that the bullies in charge will respect and respond to. Newstrom is it. Perfect being the enemy of good is the typical democrat excuse to sit on hands and do nothing.
Maybe the democratic party can realize what makes the people jump and put a better person in charge of that particular weapon, but that’s not going to happen because the democratic party has no leader at all. I’ve worked in departments that didn’t have a manager and there was a long gap before one was appointed, people tend to just continue doing what they were doing while they had a manager, and if anything changes it isn’t their problem and eventually the entire process breaks down to a bunch of people drinking coffee and arguing about who should be doing what.
So we just go back to the rich getting more welfare?
well why the hell did you think he hired that woman to write his twitter posts?
Disgusting how people want to support someone who is pro-corporate and betrays trans rights.
Our country elected a pedophile rapist, nothing should be at all surprising anymore.
Capital has ruined our lands and destroyed our humanity collectively. This is it, this is our kingdom after we threw money at every new shiny bullshit toy and trend and convenience until we fed No-Face until he started digesting our very morals and ethics. (Pssst, that scene was a metaphor.)
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Yikes a transphobic dogwhistle and misinformation on sports. Trans women are biological women. Trans participating in sports was a non-issue in the us until the right started whining about it more recently. The International Olympic has stated that “no presumed advantage” based on sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics.
Women are more likely to participate in sports when trans players are included.
Cis-women receive harassment in sports because of comments like these.
Let me guess you don’t care about women and girls facing inequitable facilities, pay, and marketing; abusive coaches; and racist, sexist, and homophobic harassment.
Please folks learn more about the topic before listening to demagogues.
Yikes a transphobic dogwhistle
Yikes someone just jumped to a ridiculous conclusion. I’m not tranphobic. I don’t hate trans people the slightest bit. I just have a legitimate disagreement with you on this one thing.
Let me guess you don’t care about women and girls facing inequitable facilities, pay, and marketing; abusive coaches; and racist, sexist, and homophobic harassment.
You would guess wrong on all these things.
Trans participating in sports was a non-issue in the us until the right started whining about it more recently.
True enough. Now that they have given up on hating gays, they are going after trans.
The International Olympic has stated that “no presumed advantage” based on sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics.
Well now, if I hadn’t posted my mild comment that was removed for being politically incorrect, you wouldn’t have had the opportunity to inform me and others about this would you? Maybe you would have changed my mind if the discussion had been allowed to proceed. That’s why censorship is counterproductive and stupid. If someone post things I disagree with I would rather correct them then censor them.
At the time my comment was deleted, more people here approved of it than disapproved (4-3). So the censorship deprives yourself of the opportunity to convince others of your view.
It’s not even about “biological men competing in womens sports”, ultimately what it’s about is not wanting trans people to exist at all. The sports thing is a red herring, don’t fall for the bait.
When kids are trans, what they need is all the help and support we can provide. Puberty blockers and hormones to help facilitate. God forbid a kid should be comfortable in their own skin.
But, oh, no, we can’t allow that either because, again, the end goal is making it harder or impossible for them to simply exist. It’s not about sports and never has been.
ultimately what it’s about is not wanting trans people to exist at all.
Nope that’s bullshit. If you attributed that to Newsom then you’re the problem, not Newsom.
It’s not even about “biological men competing in womens sports”,
Yes, that is exactly what it is about. This one thing.
p.s. Did you actually delete my post just because I took this political stand of saying its not fair for trans women to compete in womens sports? Why would you do that? Is nobody allowed to have even a mildly politically incorrect opinion here? An enforced echo chamber does not help anybody.
I removed it because you’re engaging in transphobic dog whistles that are not fit for our communities.
And, again, as explained above, the sports argument is a red herring. That’s NOT what any of this is about, any more than it’s about “protecting children” or whatever other bullshit they want to throw out.
They want to eliminate trans people, full stop. Eliminating puberty blockers and hormone treatment, bathroom laws, and the nonsense about sports.
It all boils down to they don’t want trans people to exist, and if you start buying one piece of it, you buy all of it.
It’s the trans equivalent of what got Jimmy The Greek fired back in 1988, but I recognize that’s a little farther back than the internet remembers these days.
I removed it because you’re engaging in transphobic dog whistles
I’m not because I’m not transphobic and I don’t hate trans people at all. I just have a political disagreement with you about athletics.
They want to eliminate trans people, full stop.
Okay maybe some of them do. But I don’t. I just have a simple political disagreement with you about athletics.
It all boils down to they don’t want trans people to exist, and if you start buying one piece of it, you buy all of it.
I am proof that your slippery slope assumption is definitely false. There is a 0% chance that I am ever going to hate trans people. I just have a simple political disagreement with you about athletics. And if you don’t think there are other people here who have the same opinion, you’re wrong. By shutting down the discussion, you are depriving everybody of the opportunity to learn more and maybe have their minds changed. As a mod you should be trying very hard not to create an echo chamber. Or else explicitly list this opinion and any other opinions that people are not allowed to have here.
It’s the trans equivalent of what got Jimmy The Greek fired back in 1988
You arguing that having an athletics disagreement is the equivalent of “wanting to eliminate trans people” sounds to me like the equivalent of conservatives saying that wanting common sense gun regulations is the equivalent of “wanting to take your gun from you”. i.e. You’re taking a mild position and translating that into the most extreme position possible. That’s not something I want to see in a regular commenter, let alone a mod with the ability to silence people with disagreeable opinions.
https://transactual.org.uk/transphobia/
f) Tacit transphobia is still transphobia.
Actions designed to harm or take away trans people’s human rights are still transphobic even when not expressed in explicitly transphobic language, or not expressed in language at all. This tacit transphobia is often referred to as ‘dogwhistle’ transphobia. For example, one UK based transphobic hate group bought a full page advert which read: ‘Woman: an adult human female.’ The statement itself is not transphobic, but when the context for the statement is that the group in question believe that trans women can never be female the transphobic intent is clear. Similarly, when a football ‘fan’ throws a banana at a black player during a match, the racist intent is clear even though bananas are not inherently racist.
pretty heavy handed. can’t say i like this or agree with you equating it with racism.
Dems need to ditch identity politics and focus on the class war just like Bernie keeps telling us.
It sucks but it’s kind of true. It won’t go over well in deeply left spaces but it’s not a matter of “compromise” we just have to fight smarter. We thought too highly of our population and expected too much. We are not a civilized nation that cares about others and never have been. We just got fed toxic positivity in our own little echo-chambers until we thought we could scold the rest of the country into being better.
I am saying this as someone who has supported equality and trans rights for years and years, but we’re not getting results pushing this boulder up the hill anymore. I care more about actually being able to achieve outcomes over if we’re taking the highest roads to get there.
New plan:
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Class war, not identity politics. Get every frustrated chud and hick mad at the right people, remind them over and over that they’re miserable because rich men took their money and didn’t give them anything back. Simple, direct narrative. Spice it up with memes and flashing lights. These people are bottom-of-the-barrel stupid.
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Reduce the wealth disparity so that people are less prone to violence and mistrust of people different, THEN rekindle the drive for equality and rights for all people no matter their identity, maybe even some level of kindness between people.
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Wake up because that was all just a good dream and climate change and AI warfare and genetic horrors are looming on the horizon and we’re probably just going to elect narcissistic psychopath after narcissistic psychopath until the world is literally burning and the average American middle-class family literally lives in a shanty.
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Get over it or the GOP wins again.
Americans are so fucking dumb oh my god
That’s the saddest part about this entire thing: using the technique of acting like a complete and utter moron is what fires up the American voting base.
Newsom Fetterman 2028. That’s sure to fix things right up.
OMG no. I can see that actually happening.
