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- privacy@programming.dev
The UK’s Online Safety Act doesn’t just age-gate porn; it blocks material deemed “harmful” to minors. Days after the law went into effect, reports of non-explicit content on social media getting blocked in the region started to crop up. Subreddits from r/IsraelCrimes to r/stopsmoking are now walled in the UK. Video games, Spotify, and dating apps have instituted or will institute age checks.
Given the SCOTUS age verification decision [June '25], Stabile fears that people [in the US] will go “mask off” in the fall and spring, when state legislatures start getting back together. “People are going to attempt to restrict the internet even more aggressively,” Stabile said. “I think people are going to work to restrict all sorts of content, particularly LGBTQ content, but also content that is broadly defined as any sort of threat or propaganda to minors.” Other experts Mashable spoke to agree with him.
“I’m going to jump to the end step,” [Eric Goldman, law professor at the Santa Clara University School of Law] said. “The end step is that most online users are going to be required to age authenticate most of the time they visit websites. That’s going to become the norm.” In a paper he wrote, Goldman called these statutes “segregate-and-suppress” laws.
The stated reason behind these laws is to “protect children.” But as journalist Taylor Lorenz pointed out, in the UK, age verification is already preventing children from accessing vital information, such as about menstruation and sexual assault.
“When we see crackdowns on spaces on the internet, we’re essentially stripping away that potential for self-actualization,” Goldman said. We’ve reached the dystopian stage of the internet, he added.
Pretty much that. Think of an Equifax style breach, but with porn, and all the blackmail that could create.
Are you sure about that? I grew up with dialup and a publicly placed family court computer and I was definitely aware of porn, despite even simple images loading at a crawl.
Children will find porn, that’s a given, our choice is where they’ll likely go. Do we want them going to a place parents are aware of and can look out for, or do we want them going to the sketchy corners of the web to find what they want?
Locking down the main sites just endangers adults and pushes kids to worse sites.
There aren’t worse sites. The current way porn is presented is with no restrictions. Addind restrictions won’t push kids to “worse sites”. Kids dont need porn to begin with, acting like they will find it and abuse it no matter what is an awfully bleak take. Do you assume that all kids are going to try hard drugs too? How about armed robbery? Maybe we should keep drugs and guns in as public a place as possible so parents can “monitor” kids using it easier.
That’s a ridiculous comparison. Kids know the harm of drugs, they can see people strung out on the side of the road downtown and have heard horror stories from friends about bad trips. So most kids stick with weed, alcohol, and nicotine (all bad) because they’re not complete idiots. They want to break rules and have fun, not destroy their lives.
What’s the equivalent for porn? They’ll have trouble forming relationships and may objectify their partners some months or years down the road? They’ll learn things incorrectly (things they should’ve learned from sex ed in school or from their parents)?
They’re not in the same category at all. Here’s what will likely happen from a kid seeing porn:
That’s it. They’re not going to start raping people or anything, they just want to release the sexual tension they’re feeling.
Now, if the safe places are blocked (i.e. places that care about regulators), they’ll go to forums and whatnot and probably be exposed to actual abuse, like CSAM, actual rape, etc. That’s much more problematic than role play between consenting adults or whatever.
I disagree that the effects are negligible. Trouble forming relationships and having expectations that dont match reality are hard things to overcome. We are extremely social as a species so you should take that a bit more seriously.
As for CSAM, rape, and anything else like that, its already on pornhub and other sites. If you watch porn on those sites the chances are you’ve accidentally seen some of it. Thats without mentioning the abuse of power situations that lead to people being in porn they’d rather not be.
Comparing that to what I’m talking about is like comparing weed and meth. The CSAM there is generally 17yos lying and claiming they’re 18+, and the rape is generally people who didn’t consent to having their films published (but did consent to the sex), or it’s roleplay with one of those as a the theme (e. g. step father nonsense). That’s way different from “harder” CSAM and rape content where the victims are obviously not consenting. The difference is massive in terms of what viewers understand.
I’d much rather kids watch the former than the latter, but ideally they avoid both.
Oh I get it so pornhub has the okay kind of CSAM, got it. You keep digging that hole my man.
No, my point is the issues on Pornhub are violations of their policies, whereas the issues on other sites are the whole point of those sites and they’re much more severe. The issues on Pornhub can be corrected by reporting them, the issues on the other sites won’t.
You think that if kids can’t get to pornhub they will go to sites explicitly for abuse? Thats quite a stretch, why do you think that?
Kids are interested in porn, so they’ll get whatever they can find. If the safer sites are blocked, they’ll find something else.