Mr. Trump’s latest comments came after he said that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had discussed the issue during their summit on Friday in Alaska.

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    Which is still gerrymandering…

    Again, short of an outright military occupation, blue states aren’t going to comply with this. And even a lot of the purple states are going to fight tooth and nail because their red leadership knows they are hanging on by a thread.

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      Ok, maybe I’ve missed something fundamental to your argument for why Republicans aren’t going to use mail in voting restrictions to their electoral advantage. Why do you think blue states need to comply for this to be effective? And why do you think red leadership in purple states won’t benefit from it?

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        Here is a quick summary of how mail in voting works:

        1. You request a ballot from your local election office (which is generally your county) and they send you the ballot corresponding to what district you are in.
        2. You fill it out
        3. You either drop it off in a specially designated mailbox operated by the local election office or you mail it to the local election office themselves
        4. After all the bullshit about not being allowed to count until all polls are closed is done, said local election office basically just brings the box of mail-ins to the room where other paper ballots are being counted
        5. Said local election office then reports their results upstream

        trump can say whatever the fuck he wants. He is still dependent on those local election offices which depend on local county and state governments. So, again, the districts where this would matter are generally blue and democratic and run by Democrats who have both a personal and professional interest in not doing this.

        So unless he plans to do a military occupation of all of Denver or LA/SF or whatever for the entirety of November? Those states will tell him to pound sand. And if he is doing a full military occupation… we aren’t having elections anyway.

        And same for red leaders in purple states. No, not “Texas is totally secretly purple” but I am talking places like Georgia where it is ACTUALLY democratic voters and not just “moderate” Americans who don’t want to call themselves republicans (and Houston. Houston is actually pretty okay. Less so Austin). That leadership knows the best they can do is avoid rocking the boat because an angry community is a community that votes.

        What I DO see happening is exactly what I already said.

        What probably WILL happen is a bunch of executive orders to establish big balls as the arbiter of what votes are and aren’t valid regardless of if it is in person or mail-in. And, gasp, so much fraud for whatever candidate is dumb enough to be the face of the Democrats in 2028.

        Districts that republicans want get accused of fraud with the mail-in excuse. And then big balls is assigned to the case and, what do you know, he just found another 342 million voters for trump… in a local comptroller race.

        But the actual mail-in voting won’t be obstructed because, like I said, it actually also benefits republicans very heavily in many districts. Particularly the ridiculously gerrymandered ones where there is a tiny sliver that corresponds to Sister-Grandma Jones who lives 30 miles outside of city limits and can’t walk because she got pregnant again.

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          Trump’s EOs aren’t where the rules will be set (hopefully, unless the SC just fully declares the Constitution void). It’ll be a the states. And they’ll design the laws on who can do mail in voting to their benefit.

          For example, Georgia, with its red trifecta who would like more red votes to be counted both for their own elections and the House, passes a law saying it’s only valid of you live in a settlement with less than X density. X is above suburbia but below cities. And since it’s targeting areas rather than districts, the gerrymandered districts can boost their red votes and suppress their blue votes.

          They don’t really care about voters in LA, they care about suppressing Atlanta and Austin so red states stay maximally red. They don’t need to take over blue states, just maintain their current dominance despite the electorate turning against them.

          If voter suppression reliably caused the offender to lose no one would do it. But it doesn’t, not when applied subtly and accompanied by spin about how it’s just saving money or securing elections. The people on the margins who are most likely to stay home rather than go to the polls are the same ones who aren’t passionate about voter access and voting in general.