The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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  • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.comEnglish
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    2 days ago

    You don’t get it though, Russia bad. Therefore, throwing your male population through forced conscription into the meat grinder with no expectation of winning is based and cool and patriotic.

      • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.comEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Yes, Russia is a borderline fascist empire as it stands now, and its government deserves extreme criticism for it. Sad consequence of dismantling the Soviet Union and selling it to the most corrupt bidder under the supervision of MIT economists.

        What’s your point anyway? That sending people to the meat grinder in Ukraine is good actually by either side of the proxy inter-imperialist conflict?

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          15 hours ago

          People being dead is not good of course. What choice does the Ukrainian government have though other than to defend their country?

            • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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              8 hours ago

              Specifically how? They were okay with neutrality before the genocidal war inflicted on them. They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.

              • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.comEnglish
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                3 hours ago

                It’s an unfair war inflicted on the Ukrainian population, but calling it genocidal is crazy. Look at the civilian casualty rate in Ukraine, and compare it with another non-genocidal war like that of the invasion of Iraq.

                They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.

                They’re open to an immediate ceasefire on their own conditions, which isn’t something you can expect when you’re, you know, losing a war.

                • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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                  3 hours ago

                  Genocide is not about casualty numbers, or even targeting civilians. Just the kidnapping of Ukrainian children alone makes it genocidal. “Russification” is genocidal.

                  And the immediate ceasefire offer was not on any conditions of territorial exchange, just that they would stop shooting while negotiating. Russia categorically denied any stop to the war this year.

                  Also, why would you say they are losing? It’s been a stalemate forever now, and the Russians actually controlled more territory in August 2022, much more territory. All the gains and losses this past year have hardly been a blip.