It appears that these countries now have some form of warning associated with travelling to the USA:
- Australia
- Belgium
- Canada
- Denmark
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Ireland
- Mexico
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- Norway
- Portugal
- United Kingdom
“Nasty, failing Norway, they should just hand over Greenland. That Helsinki is a horrible place, we have so many cleaner and better looking places here in the US!”
I actually decided to postpone my trip to the USA. Nothing was set but I just don’t feel it’s the right moment so I switched destination
All these reports of travel warnings feel misleading to me.
A proper travel warning equates to insurance companies refusing to provide travel insurance, which directly impacts whether people would travel to the USA. None of the “warning” updates have gone to that level.
Updating travel guidance isn’t that big a deal.
Does travel insurance have to pay out if your destination country kidnaps you and sends you to a prison in El Salvador or Cuba?
Not sure – but it’s plausible that the media/bubbles are hyping up that sort of event, even if it’s an outlier. Like there are millions of visits to the US from Canada on a regular basis – one lady got put in a detention area, as a result of having wonky paper work on a longer term work visa (something most regular tourists/travellers don’t have to worry about).
As far as I know, travel advisories aren’t issued as a result of ‘cost to insurance companies’, but rather danger/risk to citizens travelling to those countries, imposed by governments. Travel insurance providers look at those, and determine risk/coverage based on that sort of information. So no explicit warning, implies there’s no significant risk, for most visitor types.
Advising something like “If you use X as a gender, make sure to carry additional paperwork/figure out additional rules”, isn’t something that’s going to cause a “generic” family to worry about going to Disney Land.
I dont know about the others but all Canada did was literally just update the requirements for staying in the US for more than 30 days as per their rules. Its not a warning at all.
We SHOULD have a warning for visiting the states given the bullshit some of our travellers have faced. But thats not whats going on.
It’s not like there is only the option of ‘no warning’ and ‘a warning’. These government warn people because they foresee a potential danger for their citizens. What makes this a big deal is that these warnings come from countries who are allies and used to have similar values. The fact that they don’t believe you are safe is one thing, but they basically also say they can’t use their diplomatic means to keep you safe and that really is imho why this is a very serious sign that the global order is shifting.
In general these warnings are not only for lgbtqi+ folk, but also for scientists and critical journalists. Think of other countries where those people aren’t safe, they are not western democracies like the US used to be.
As another poster commented, the actual article doesn’t call it a ‘warning’. So, this does look like social media/bubble hyping up the issue.
These warnings are what ministries of foreign affairs (= government officials) give out to their citizens. Newsweek is neither based in Norway nor written in Norwegian (it’s US-based), so saying it looks like something based on this single source isn’t adding much weight to your argument.
Oh, wait, ok, let me go do up a massive post with a ton of cited sources and detailed research in order to support an online opinion about the general feeling I get when seeing these sorts of articles – specifically ones where the social media site (this lemmy OPs post) re-words the title of the article from “travel update” to “travel warning”, and aims to get people going on about how the USA is evil.
Or, no, I won’t bother. It’s an online opinion meant to draw some additional thought / criticism towards these sorts of posts, and the intentions behind them.
I didn’t reply to you because of how evil the USA is or isn’t but because I wanted to stress to you how big the change is that is happening. I assume you’re American and dislike anti-American opinions, I’m fine with that. I also don’t like it when people don’t like my country or my people. This is not personal, I’m not anti you. But I do think you are wrong that these travel updates are just a social media hype. The friendship between US and other western countries is under severe pressure, that is not just an opinion.
I ain’t American. I’m from one of the countries most irked by America at present (Canada) – if you look at my @, I’m on a Canadian lemmy server.
But its still true that Russian propaganda is mostly about disrupting allied nations and fostering civil unrest / animosity between countries. They have literally stated that they seek to amplify things like race-oriented conflicts and stories, because it helps to destabilize western countries (so things like Tiktok, where any anti-black event is automatically on the front page, is part of that routine – compared to other nations, where it shows more benign things, such as “child prodigy plays piano”). Things like “BuyCanadian” campaigns are likely supported/partially funded by Russian interests – because it’s not just “avoid american products”, but “avoid all traditional allies” in tone. Sorta like how Russia didn’t need specific ‘agents’ in the US, but could instead fund “influencers” that were saying things that promoted Russian geopolitical goals.
Is there a reason to be concerned about what’s going on in the states? Yes. Doesn’t mean that we should hype up negativity beyond reason / create anti-american echo chambers.
I agree with you on the not going along with russian bots and giving space to their propaganda. I’m not pointing to wether you should be concerned of what is happening within the United states, but about what is happening between the us and it’s allies. This split is not caused by russian bots online, but by the current us government. I agree Russia is likely involved, but the answer in not staying quiet. You can call this echoing anti-American propaganda, but dismissing it as such makes you vulnerable to tolerating this split happening as opposed to moving against it.
I don’t know if it was updated, but the current title of the article is “Norway Issues Travel Update For US”, which better reflects what they did.
Yeah, so it definitely gives the vibe of social media over hyping / trying to drive further wedges into western relations and opinions. Which is basically a Russian goal / propaganda tactic…
Yeah. Its definitely not the fascism thats doing the heavy lifting here…
It’s what it signals that matters in this case
I wish my grandparents had never emigrated from Norway.
