Tuta is a end-to-end-encryption mail and calendar provider. They recently wrote a good blog-post about changing to european services.
Even Gmail allows to use the email client of your choice, going for an email provider that force you to use their app is a bummer
I really dislike Tuta for their refusal to support SMTP/IMAP and PGP, let alone CalDAV or CardDAV. Posteo’s approach is way better.
Posteo has no custom domain support, deal breaker for me. As far as I understand they don’t support IMAP in order to keep their encryption working, and I believe others like Proton do the same thing. Since their webapp is good and they even have an official client on Fdroid, I don’t think it’s a big deal
For people who want custom domain support, as well as SMTP/IMAP, but still euro-based, Nubo may be more what you’re looking for if you’re OK with dealing with a newer company.
Oh, wow. Didn’t realize Tuta didn’t work with IMAP/POP/SMTP. https://tuta.com/support/howto#imap
That’s pretty cool, haven’t heard of this service before. The website is a little light on technical details but I do like the co-op model.
Not sure what they’re running for email, but for the other cloud services, I think they just run Nextcloud?
They do, yeah, and the email is RoundCube from memory? I have a personal Nextcloud and really can’t fault them for using it in place of building Yet Another in-house drive solution - it’s good software, bront.
SMTP/IMAP
Is this not a deal breaker for, like, everyone?
Web apps.
For reference I work for a competing mail provider and the majority of our users don’t use SMTP or IMAP, instead exclusively using the web app.
Personally never had to use either protocol, what’s your use case? - genuinely curios.
How do you use email without SMTP/IMAP?
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That’s ridiculous!
Using Thunderbird as opposed to tuta’s quite barebones client:
- delayed messaging
- message scheduling
- local backup of mails
- no email import
- desktop app failures (happens quite often to me that I just can’t log in)
Not to mention other external QoL functionalities like a home assistant tablet being able to display a family calendar and being able to automate based off of events
Tuta’s discount is tempting, but I’ve also seen StartMail doing 50% off lately. Definitely feels like a good time to test a couple out, especially if you care more about UX than just encryption.
Sadly, no calendar on startmail which is a non-starter for getting my family on it.
Seems to be nothing really with mail + calendar + encryption + IMAP from a smaller company.
Not sure if it’s encrypted,b but mailbox.org has email + calendar + I can add it to K-9 and Geary (so I think it does support IMAP?)?
Nice! I am thinking either mailbox.org or posteo. They have IMAP. They support pgp indeed it seems. One of those might be a winner!
What do you use smtp/imap for?
Email apps.
I have been using Tuta since the start of the year when I decided it was time to remove myself from Big Tech as much as I can. Really highly recommend them!
It’s fun to see how people rage over corporations who sell their data and let people use their products for free. And when you want to use more private products, they complain about how they need to pay for it.
I have been using Tuta for a couple of years now, when I decided to not use Google anymore and I think Tuta is worth the money.
You need to use Tuta’s application because they can’t provide their security with a other applications.
You probably don’t need that legendary plan though. You can get the regular plan for the same price later, it offers more than enough for a regular user. As of now, try it for free. Fuck FOMO.
Long time free user here. Now I’m tented.
Tented? 😏
Maybe its tempted? Idk, I’m translating from Italian… 😅
Tuta kept giving me ads despite being a premium user and when I finally decided to leave they made it impossible to cancel. I had to delete my account to get out of the bind.
I checked out their business offering because I was curious and apparently they don’t even support single sign-on.
What the hell‽ How do they expect to sell to businesses if they can even support the most basic features like SSO in 2025?
This is made worse by the fact that they don’t support phishing resistant authentication like passkeys. Single sign on could have solved this since login (including stuff like mfa) would be handled by idP
What SSO are you expecting? Google? Microsoft? GitHub? You see the problem here?
The missing passkey is certainly something they can work on but this is definitely not a critical feature
I would want to be able to use any of the common IdPs. That does indeed include Google Identity, Microsoft Entra ID, GitHub, Okta, AWS, but also self hosted (and often open source) IdPs like AD FS, Keycloak, Shibboleth, Gluu Server, and so on.
It’s ridiculous that a supposed business plan doesn’t support SSO to even generic spec compliant SAML or OIDC IdPs. It’s not exactly rocket science.
There is absolutely no way in hell we would ever use this at work when it lacks even rudimentary SSO.
It might be targeted more towards smaller businesses but more and more companies are moving towards SSO and passwordless so they should implement it.
*for the first year of the subscription only.
Exactly, get you locked in then you pay full price at renewal
I’m sorry, but did you expect them to give you 62% off permanently?
Yes? It’s not uncommon to see discounts stick for the life of the sub. It locks people in because they don’t want to lose that sweet deal, sometimes even if there’s a cheaper/more appropriate package elsewhere.
Sigh, I have just one problem with Tuta - why such a stupid, stupid name?! I can already imagine myself on the phone saying “yes, T. U. T. A. Tuta dot com”
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