Yes, your conclusions here are correct imo… but this is what literally all LLM models do.
It isn’t just Google.
Everyone who runs their own ‘AI’ is a gigantic plagiarism machine, this is how they ‘learn’, you have to feed them more and more and more data.
This is just one major problem with… technically, not LLMs per se, but with how basically everyone who is developing the… is using them.
Yeah, the idea is ultimately self-defeating.
Become the entire internet, centralize it, which fundamentally destroys it, or morphs it into a cyberpunk nightmare.
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To the second part:
From a US legal perspective, … ok disclaimer I am not a corporate lawyer … as I understand it, it doesn’t matter if Google is the ultimate root cause of anything.
It only matters if the investors can prove that Reddit lied to their investors about the expected effect of Google going to AI.
From a legal perspective… the question is whether or not they lied, intentionally or through negligence, mislead investors. The degree of the impacts of that lie are nearly irrelevant to determining whether or not that actually happened (though they would affect the degree of legal punishment if found guilty), and I am just trying to give a broad legal explanation of what is going on.
Reddit seems to have said that they expected Google’s AI to have no impact whatsoever.
This is fairly obviously a … pretty definitive claim, and the normal way that Corpos avoid situations like this lawsuit is by making qualified statements, estimates within a range, non absolute statement, ‘we expect that…’, ‘our projection indicates…’, that kind of CorpoSpeak isn’t just an annoying dialect… it serves many functional purposes, a big one of those being preventing Corpos from getting themselves into legal trouble.
If the Reddit CEO/Board actually did make this kind of absolute statement… not only does it show that they are fools, potentially intentional liars… but it also shows that they have absolutely no idea how the big boy corporate world works at all, to a comical degree.
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Finally:
For us to actually know the extent to what degree what kinds of things have financially impacted Reddit… we’d have to have their internal records.
Now again I am not a lawyer, but in many kinds of cases… well, anything that is entered as evidence, could potentially become public knowledge…
So, forcing this lawsuit may also serve as a way to make such records more widely available.
To your first part:
Yes, your conclusions here are correct imo… but this is what literally all LLM models do.
It isn’t just Google.
Everyone who runs their own ‘AI’ is a gigantic plagiarism machine, this is how they ‘learn’, you have to feed them more and more and more data.
This is just one major problem with… technically, not LLMs per se, but with how basically everyone who is developing the… is using them.
Yeah, the idea is ultimately self-defeating.
Become the entire internet, centralize it, which fundamentally destroys it, or morphs it into a cyberpunk nightmare.
…
To the second part:
From a US legal perspective, … ok disclaimer I am not a corporate lawyer … as I understand it, it doesn’t matter if Google is the ultimate root cause of anything.
It only matters if the investors can prove that Reddit lied to their investors about the expected effect of Google going to AI.
From a legal perspective… the question is whether or not they lied, intentionally or through negligence, mislead investors. The degree of the impacts of that lie are nearly irrelevant to determining whether or not that actually happened (though they would affect the degree of legal punishment if found guilty), and I am just trying to give a broad legal explanation of what is going on.
Reddit seems to have said that they expected Google’s AI to have no impact whatsoever.
This is fairly obviously a … pretty definitive claim, and the normal way that Corpos avoid situations like this lawsuit is by making qualified statements, estimates within a range, non absolute statement, ‘we expect that…’, ‘our projection indicates…’, that kind of CorpoSpeak isn’t just an annoying dialect… it serves many functional purposes, a big one of those being preventing Corpos from getting themselves into legal trouble.
If the Reddit CEO/Board actually did make this kind of absolute statement… not only does it show that they are fools, potentially intentional liars… but it also shows that they have absolutely no idea how the big boy corporate world works at all, to a comical degree.
…
Finally:
For us to actually know the extent to what degree what kinds of things have financially impacted Reddit… we’d have to have their internal records.
Now again I am not a lawyer, but in many kinds of cases… well, anything that is entered as evidence, could potentially become public knowledge…
So, forcing this lawsuit may also serve as a way to make such records more widely available.
Multi-dimensional chess lol.
Thank you for your insights, they seem valuable at least to me, who is even further away from being a lawyer lol.
Would be nothing less than crazy stupid if they were to be found guilty for letting marketing be to honest / lawyers be to negligent.
Would be great to see some antitrust level cases against LLMs using this - as well as hopefully even clearer and more qualified cases - as precedent.