• Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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    6 days ago

    I feel I should point out: Ansar Allah (the people you refer to as “Yemeni maniacs”) don’t attack every ship that passes by. They are quite selective, only attacking ships with ties to Israel. The reason Ansar Allah are doing this is to try to stop the genocide in Gaza, and from where I’m standing, they look like heroes for it. If you want British ships to stop being shot at by Ansar Allah, the answer is for British companies to stop trading with Israel. Which is the morally correct position to take as well, that no one should be trading with Israel until the genocide stops.

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      6 days ago

      And yet they still managed to attack ships that were not operated by Israel, owned by Israel, or visiting Israel. Funny that.

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        6 days ago

        I’ve seen your claim before, but I’ve never seen any evidence for it.

        Would you mind finding for me the name of a ship attacked by Ansar Allah that had no ties to Israel?

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          6 days ago

          MV True Confidence, owned Liberia, operated Greece, flagged Barbados, sailing China to Saudi Arabia then Jordan, personnel Vietnam, Sri Lanka, India, Philippines, Nepal.

          3 crew murdered.

          • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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            5 days ago

            Hmm, the Wikipedia article about this ship is odd. Check out this paragraph: “The Houthis claimed that the vessel was American-owned, however a spokesman for the ship’s owners rejected the claim, saying it had no relation with American entities.[6] The vessel’s owners, the company True Confidence Shipping, is registered in Liberia, and she is operated by the Greece-based organization Third January Maritime. Both firms confirmed that they were unrelated to the United States. However, until 24 February 2024 the vessel was connected to the Los Angeles-based Oaktree Capital Management.[6][18]”

            So, we have True Confidence Shipping being the owners of a single ship, the MV True Confidence. (I looked up True Confidence Shipping, they really do only own the one ship.) I don’t know whether it’s common in maritime shipping to have only one ship per shipping company, but it seems a little odd to me.

            Furthermore, until February 24, 2024, the vessel had ties to an american firm, Oaktree Capital Management. I think this is true, as I’ve seen this claim in quite a few articles about the incident.

            So let’s think about the timing here: February 24, the ship changed ownership. 11 days later, on March 6, it was attacked by Ansar Allah, who claims they attacked it because it’s an american ship. It seems to me we have two options: first, the ship really did change hands in those 11 days between February 24 and March 6, and Ansar Allah had outdated information, leading to a mistaken attack. This is possible. The second option is that the so-called ownership change was really just adding a shell company and Ansar Allah saw right through that and attacked anyway. Knowing what I know about capital and american firms, this option seems very plausible to me, but without a lot more time researching, and some real, actual knowledge about maritime shipping, I have no way of knowing.

            So yeah, take your pick: Ansar Allah made an honest (and easy-to-make) mistake or they saw through an attempt to sneak an american vessel by them using a shell company. Or, I guess, you could choose to believe that it’s neither of these options and Ansar Allah are just “Yemeni maniacs” trying to cause trouble because “they hate us for our freedom” or some such nonsense. You’re welcome to believe that too.