even if in a hypothetical that it was just blue states that held elections, that would be enough to potentially flip the house. California and New York have enough potential and realistic house flips to change the US from red to blue
OK. That’s a wild thing to say. If you’re willing to say that the red states may illegally fail to hold elections can you not recognize the likelyhood that they’d stop, by force, blue states from doing the same?
Do you seriously think blue states wouldn’t fold if pressured to stop elections?
I’m not convinced that any of this will come to pass and elections will be stopped but if they want to they can and will.
That requires much more than just red states republican legislatures being complicit. That’s just a straight up military coup at that point. That’s not the scenario the earlier people were laying out
We’ve had hybrid senarios before. During Lincoln’s elections, many southern states didn’t even let him put his name on the ballot. He still won the election
Not really if it’s threatened and the dems instantly fold. A dozen or so congress members and few senate members in support of freezing elections, the threat of violence, and a continuation of what see we now. That’s about all that’s needed.
Still, though it’d argue it unlikely, military intervention cannot be ruled out
On this being a separate situation it’s not really. It’s just an expansion of your own hypothetical. In a world where red states halt elections they would also pressure blue states to do the same. Blue states would likely fold as they have to many of the more important issues recently.
I guess there’s not much to this argument at this point between us. I hope you’re right, and I would assume some resistance, but do doubt it to be significant. The courts are captured, national dems are weak, and even when talking about the power of state dems I’ve not seen much strong and resilient push back. Lastly, national dems have quite a bit of power in state politics. Don’t doubt the ability of a crab to pull down it’s fellow crab in it’s own attempt to leave the bucket.
Thanks for the conversation. Though I’m a bit more pessimistic I can see you’re atleast a reasonable person
That implies that the legal system is not so profoundly subverted that it would still uphold democracy. Don’t bet on that.
OK. That’s a wild thing to say. If you’re willing to say that the red states may illegally fail to hold elections can you not recognize the likelyhood that they’d stop, by force, blue states from doing the same?
Do you seriously think blue states wouldn’t fold if pressured to stop elections?
I’m not convinced that any of this will come to pass and elections will be stopped but if they want to they can and will.
That requires much more than just red states republican legislatures being complicit. That’s just a straight up military coup at that point. That’s not the scenario the earlier people were laying out
We’ve had hybrid senarios before. During Lincoln’s elections, many southern states didn’t even let him put his name on the ballot. He still won the election
Not really if it’s threatened and the dems instantly fold. A dozen or so congress members and few senate members in support of freezing elections, the threat of violence, and a continuation of what see we now. That’s about all that’s needed.
Still, though it’d argue it unlikely, military intervention cannot be ruled out
On this being a separate situation it’s not really. It’s just an expansion of your own hypothetical. In a world where red states halt elections they would also pressure blue states to do the same. Blue states would likely fold as they have to many of the more important issues recently.
Don’t conflate national dems and state dem parties. The state dems are fighting back far stronger
Hell many are defying trump straight to his face such as Maine’s governor who told him in person that they’d not comply with his anti-trans stuff
Kathy Hochul is still enforcing NYC’s congestion pricing despite Trump directly telling her to stop and threatning federal funding
And so on
I guess there’s not much to this argument at this point between us. I hope you’re right, and I would assume some resistance, but do doubt it to be significant. The courts are captured, national dems are weak, and even when talking about the power of state dems I’ve not seen much strong and resilient push back. Lastly, national dems have quite a bit of power in state politics. Don’t doubt the ability of a crab to pull down it’s fellow crab in it’s own attempt to leave the bucket.
Thanks for the conversation. Though I’m a bit more pessimistic I can see you’re atleast a reasonable person