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Other than security differences, is the interface just like on a Pixel? Can I still force dark mode on uncooperative apps like on Pixel? Is there still notification history? Screenshots/select on overview?
Have never looked back since i switched to gos… just buy a refurbed pixel to avoid giving big G ya monry.
Remember, though, in less than 200 days google kills all “sideloading.” It seriously fucks with gos, and they have hinted they will eventually disable flashing custom roms
Aren’t there things GrapheneOS can’t do though like banking, wallet, and bus pass? I hope im misinformed because I’d love to switch to an alt OS.
Graphene coming with OEM phones other than pixel so it will solve those issues
Fairphone 6. Google can suck it. As long as people support the company, competition is coming. Hopefully, they have the resources to keep on going after Google shits on everyone.
Gah. I was really torn between replacing my broken Pixel with another Pixel+GOS or buying a Fairphone 6…
I ended up going with the Fairphone 6 cuz I want to support other players. I’m not completely off Google, but I keep moving away where I can.
I wish Fairphone and Graphene were friends… :/
If fairphone had the hardware support and kept up with modern android versions, GOS would have no beef.
I’m waiting for a phone to meet Graphene’s requirements that isn’t made by Google. Then I’ll switch. Hope it happens sooner rather than later.
I initially considered that, but in the end I just bit the bullet and got one 2 weeks ago.
My thought is with the current trend of PC hardware prices, I didn’t want to wait to see how it affects phone prices.
At the same time, I do not know if the collaborative phone between GOS and the manufacturer will be something I like. The current Pixel 10 phone is already bigger than what I ultimately prefer and I think it’s more probable the new phone will be phablet sized.
will be phablet sized
Already is… but it is what it is. Welcome to gOS, we don’t have cookies ;}
I was running LineageOS, but my screen broke so I just bought a trap phone with cash from Wal-Mart.
Break free from Google! By buying a Google phone…
This betrays a deep level of tech illiteracy
Break free from Google with buying Google product? Lol
Ironic but true
Meh, there are better phones that actually support an open source community.
Fairphone with e/os has been working pretty awesome for me.
beastmode
I ran various custom ROM’s for years on a FairPhone3+. It was great right up until the day all my banking apps stopped working. Banking app incompatibility is NOT the fault of GrapheneOS (or any other custom ROM) dev’s at all . . . but IMO this is the real problem today with any alternative mobile OS. Privacy vs. banking convenience. And yes, YMMV as some of them do work . . and mine did as well . . right up until the day they didn’t.
Just use a web browser.
People act like they can’t live without these apps, which are often just a repackaged website anyway.
My bank requires using a card reader for ID if you use a web browser. It can be done but it means carrying three physical things (phone, bank card, bank card reader) instead of one (phone).
So it is a minor inconvenience?
Also it would be an option to switch banks.
pushTAN?
Do banking exclusively through the online portals? For me, if that means using my desktop or a laptop for banking, that’s what I do, because I will not install a banking app on my phone.
not every bank lets you
my condolences are you euro?
south american.
I didn’t know they rolled like that, good to know for the purposes of learning about banking & surveillance systems. haven’t seen it mentioned on GOS forums
Switch banks. That’s what I did. I had a bank that required an app to use them as well before I decided that I cared about my privacy and wanted more of it. And when I found out that my bank wouldn’t let me do things, I switched banks. Because fuck them.
Generally it’s neobanks that cause the most problems. If you’re using older banks that have been around for quite a long time, they don’t have nearly the technology, so are less likely to have this occur. In the United States, an example of this might be something like Wells Fargo or Discover or something like that, whereas one of these neobanks that would cause problems would be like chime.
Generally, stay away from thin tech and stay with actual banks. You might also look at credit unions. My local credit union is really good, and has a good online website, and has an app as well, but doesn’t require it at all.
i’m not aware of any i can switch to in my country that doesn’t require a phone and an annoying pairing process.
I might make a post about banks that don’t require apps or collect data. Mine is stupid about it if you don’t opt out. I’m so sick of every business normalizing this.
I use several banks and several credit unions, and the only thing I can’t do with a laptop is deposit checks (which is getting pretty rare).
FinTech products like PayPal, Venmo, Cash.app, BlueBird and such often require a phone app, but aren’t regulated banks, and are best avoided when possible.
Same here, I might end up with a check in my hands like once per year, and so I have to make like one single trip to my credit union every single year or whatever to deposit that check, and that’s it.
Exactly! I’d love to switch, but I rely on my banking apps too much. That’s a dealbreaker for me as well.
Nfc payments keep me chained. I guess i can get a second phone just for setting up a watch, but i don’t want a watch. So i live by not using the default launcher and a vpn. I’m working to change my email provider slowly
If only something more than Pixels was supported.
Blame literally every other hardware manufacturer for not implementing encryption enclaves correctly.
SOON
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We will probably get GTA VI first.
Do you recommend putting it on pixel 6? Or is it outdated?
older pixels have fewer years of GOS dev support remaining. recommend 7+
GOS is great. Funny, I used to rom hop and distro hop a lot; but on GOS, I installed it once and so far so good (5+ months in).
Just some tips for new users: Just install it and dont be afraid to try things out (Google Store, profiles, Aurora…etc). Oh and dont make it tooooo complicate with many profiles and private space. You can test first but dont over do it if you’re not experienced.
And no, I am not a dev from GOS lol. I’m an ordinary user who wants to take control of my phone.
Just some tips for new users: Just install it and dont be afraid to try things out (Google Store, profiles, Aurora…etc). Oh and dont make it tooooo complicate with many profiles and private space.
I recommend a clean main profile (i.e. no Google Play etc) and a corrupt profile, install your stuff then find FOSS replacements for main. Over time you naturally decouple from Google, but it’s there if you need it.
I was seriously considering getting an over priced pixel phone just so I could get graphene os, but then I discovered, that rooting it is impossible. Pity
Rooting is not possible because of the security risks posed by doing so. You could technically build your own GOS with root enabled, but that’s not recommended
This attitude is, to me, very security through obscurity. I did consider your idea, but on the whole can’t be bothered 🤷
Can you elaborate on how it’s security through obscurity? I’m just saying what the devs have said. It does make sense though that if you provide root access that it could be easier for malicious devices to gain root access and therefore take more harmful actions
Utter hogwash. If I don’t have a device, a hacker can’t gain access to it. That’s security through obscurity. Make things stronger, not evasive
I bought the 10 pro fold when it came out and flashed it to grapheneos right out of the box.
I bought a pixel 10 because I wanted face unlock for contactless payments (level 3 biometric).
But from what I’ve read in the past, GrapheneOS doesn’t work with most banking apps let alone payments.
It depends on your bank. I have brazilian banks that work perfectly well with tap, they just don’t rely on Google Wallet.
Just tap the card and check your bank account via browser?
We’ve been doing electronic payment and banking without smartphones for decades…
My primary bank is phone only.
Sounds shady
Another reply did the thinking emoji face at biometrics and that’s good. Here’s why it’s worthwhile to never enable biometrics:
You don’t know when you’re going to be compelled to use them and you don’t drill on turning them off.
The whole point of no knock and other police tactics is to prevent you from keeping them from getting what they want. You can’t expect yourself to just never be surprised, that’s ridiculous. Turn biometrics off so getting surprised by the cops doesn’t immediately give them the keys to the castle!
No one drills enough, but let’s say you’re the one person who does drill enough on turning off biometrics: wouldn’t that practice time be better spent with biometrics off, drilling on shutting your phone down so they have to deal with its much more secure Before First Unlock state instead?
Turn off biometrics and practice turning your phone off.
I wonder is this something to actually worry about outside of the US?
In my country police are known to torture people until they sign a confession written by them. So I don’t think disabling biometrics will make a difference. But I’ve still done it.
nobody should discount hardware-level hacks either. ultimately GOS is the only way to get decent software on mobile without leaving it exposed in the event of petty theft. people implying it will be a serious roadblock to imperialist state-level actors are naive or even suspicious to me
Yes it absolutely is.
Every nation has a byzantine system of laws and codes enumerating different ways for police to violate the “rights” that nation has enshrined in law.
One way to avoid compelled speech (a “right” Americans have but other nations citizens might not) is to simply misremember your lock code as many times as it takes to trigger factory reset.
Americans don’t need to know that because they can’t be compelled to enter a passkey, but people in countries with no qualms about compelled speech like Germany would be well served by disabling biometrics so they have the option of lying and taking that hit instead of giving up their privacy.
Do your own research about your jurisdiction, but go ahead and turn off biometrics because it literally makes any group that can control your movement (which in English common law is the basis for the concept of “arrest”, and so likely a situation many different nationalities will face) access to your devices.
FWIW gOS has a duress PIN baked in. Doesn’t stop the rubber hose but at least you can be smug ;}
Thanks, I plan on doing this when my phone dies. Just some questions:
A computer with a Chromium-based browser (e.g., Google Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge, Vivaldi?). Unfortunately, I must recommend Windows 10/11 here, because then you don’t have to mess around with any drivers; it’s the simplest option.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead? I don’t have any Windows computers.
First of all, we need to make sure that our phone’s software is updated to the latest available version. For this purpose, we go to Settings -> System -> System update. If necessary, we update
How is this possible if the previous step skipped SIM and Wifi setup? I assume, if there’s updates, to setup Wifi then proceed?
securing the phone with a fingerprint; I personally am an advocate of this solution…
Recommend not doing this for users in the USA, as police can compel you to unlock biometric locks. Yes, it’s fucked up, that’s what happens when octogenarian fascists run all three branches of your government.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead? I don’t have any Windows computers.
You only need a browser that supports WebUSB.
Chrome and Brave support WebUSB on Linux.
How is this possible if the previous step skipped SIM and Wifi setup? I assume, if there’s updates, to setup Wifi then proceed?
I believe that vendors can include updates on the device that sit in the same fastboot space as you’ll be using to install Graphene. By running the system update, it applies any lingering patches, clearing the space for the Graphene install. The update (without SIM or Wifi) will only work if this is the case. So this step is more ‘ensure that there are no updates on the disk that will screw up the install’ than ‘make sure your phone is up to date’… since Graphene has its own methods for applying patches.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead? I don’t have any Windows computers.
No issues at all. Not sure what drivers the author was referring to but using the web installer you pretty much just plug the phone in and click through some buttons.
Recently had a similar issue with Via, the app for keyboards. Basically, there was an issue with chrome talking to the hardware…Except some lifesaver recommended plugging my keyboard directly into my machine, bypassing the docking station (the thing causing me issues) and fixing my problem. So I’ve technically still never had a driver issue, only a shitty docking station experience.
GrapheneOS has guides for installing regardless of platform, here’s the relevant page on their official site.
GrapheneOS supports a “duress password” that you can enter to lock up the phone and securely erase any data stored - it’s designed for those situations (so just push that pin in if you’re in that situation).
CLI installation guide is perfect, thank you.
Linux works broadly across a wide range of hardware, but it’s not 100%. You can ``very easily test hardware compatibility with a Live USB install of most Linux distros. Windows is a way bigger driver pain in the ass if you ask me.
I flashed my pixel to graphene on Linux without any issue. I used an arch based distro and temporarily installed Brave to perform the flash.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead?
I flashed it on my 8a a couple of weeks ago using Chromium on EndeavourOS without issues.
I feel as though having biometrics installed, Face ID and/or fingerprint, kind of defeats the purpose of a privacy OS. Where as pin and a duress pin would be the choice going forward and managing the phones security.
It depends on your threat level.
For daily use the fingerprint sensor is just practical. I use it with a secondary pin, so finger and a short pin hits the right balance of security and convenience for me. If I cross borders or join a protest, biometrics are removed beforehand.
I put grapheneos on my current phone using my previous phone (samsung s22) and a usb c cable. Wasn’t hard at all, just had to follow the prompts.
I don’t remember if I did my phone on Linux or windows, but depending on your Linux install you may or not have drivers pre installed. That’s more of a result of Linux installing only what you need, vs windows installing everything someone might need.
As for wifi/updating, I don’t see it as a necessary step on a new phone. However, for a new phone it may be worth loading the stock OS, and running with it for a day or 2 just to make sure everything (WiFi, battery life, cell, BT, etc) actually works before you go crazy troubleshooting a problem that was there out of the box.
Once you do get Graphene installed, you’ll then want to check for any updates.
While having Finger print on/off is everyone’s personal choice, it is pretty easy to lock down the phone. You can spam the wrong finger a few times and it will force the pin requirement or if you press and hold the power button a lockdown button appears, either way it only takes a few seconds.
Despite what the news would lead you to believe, most people aren’t talking to police every day. That being said, if you are going to be in an area with high police presence, than turning off the finger print is 100% recommended.
Smooth installation here with Vivaldi on Ubuntu (or fedora, not sure as I was distro hoppping a lot at the time)
