Social conservatives have shown, time and again, that they won’t stop at simply refusing treatment for themselves. They want to make sure that everyone lives according to their beliefs. They will, of course, claim they are protecting children.
Your kid doesn’t get to participate in any public services (school, for instance) if they are not vaccinated - no non-medical exceptions. And it is illegal to refuse to educate your kid.
That used to be a thing in a lot of states - admittedly, there were some more exceptions, but generally school districts were reasonably strict about it, as a matter of public and community health. But the antivax movement took a lot of the teeth out of those mandates - so much so that many places in the US have lost their herd immunity as a result of so many idiot parents “doing their own research”.
I was raised by said conservatives and if I was born thirty years later I’d have been unvaccinated. I don’t have a good answer for you. But you’re condemning a lot of people (that may eventually disagree with their parents!) to a pretty unhealthy existence.
Maybe consider being a little less gleeful when thinking about dead kids, even if their parents are assholes.
I can’t conceive of any context in which this doesn’t mean “the suffering of children is a good outcome.” Like, the suffering of children will convince their parents that they were wrong?
There is a simple solution:
Vaccinations are provided at no cost.
Vaccinations are required by law. No religious exemption. No “I’m a parent and I say so” exemption.
Day one of school will be vaccination catch-up day for kids who have fallen behind.
That won’t get everyone. But it’ll get enough to ensure broad community immunity. The people writing and implementing the laws just have to be willing to grow a spine and say “your opinion as a parent does not overrule medical science.”
I can’t think of a more direct way to get ignorant parents to understand the harm they’ve caused than for their own children to suffer from their actions
I don’t need them to understand. I’m okay if they’re angry. They can throw a fit on Facebook and get a million likes. But if their kid doesn’t get the measles, it’s worth it.
You’re saying you want to be proven right. I’m saying I don’t care what they think as long as their kids are okay.
And yeah, I’m from the US. A rural town from a flyover state. My parents vaccinated me during the Clinton administration because the whole right wing coalition was there to disagree with him, not convince their rank and file that he was the antichrist.
They can’t make their constituents hate “the left” (for whatever that’s worth in the US) any more than they already do. So why not just do the right thing? You’re correct in that center-left people will never enact what I’m suggesting. I’m going to stick around and make sure better people replace them.
What you proposed is straight up eugenics. To you, letting babies die preventable deaths because their parents are idiots isn’t a problem, it’s a solution to idiots.
Good thing they aren’t the final arbiter of truth, the all knowing, omniscient, all powerful enforcer of that which is true and just. But you aren’t either, so its good that you also don’t have that power.
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Social conservatives have shown, time and again, that they won’t stop at simply refusing treatment for themselves. They want to make sure that everyone lives according to their beliefs. They will, of course, claim they are protecting children.
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It’s easy:
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That used to be a thing in a lot of states - admittedly, there were some more exceptions, but generally school districts were reasonably strict about it, as a matter of public and community health. But the antivax movement took a lot of the teeth out of those mandates - so much so that many places in the US have lost their herd immunity as a result of so many idiot parents “doing their own research”.
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Being raised by conservative assholes shouldn’t be a death sentence.
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I was raised by said conservatives and if I was born thirty years later I’d have been unvaccinated. I don’t have a good answer for you. But you’re condemning a lot of people (that may eventually disagree with their parents!) to a pretty unhealthy existence.
Maybe consider being a little less gleeful when thinking about dead kids, even if their parents are assholes.
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I can’t conceive of any context in which this doesn’t mean “the suffering of children is a good outcome.” Like, the suffering of children will convince their parents that they were wrong?
There is a simple solution:
That won’t get everyone. But it’ll get enough to ensure broad community immunity. The people writing and implementing the laws just have to be willing to grow a spine and say “your opinion as a parent does not overrule medical science.”
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I don’t need them to understand. I’m okay if they’re angry. They can throw a fit on Facebook and get a million likes. But if their kid doesn’t get the measles, it’s worth it.
You’re saying you want to be proven right. I’m saying I don’t care what they think as long as their kids are okay.
And yeah, I’m from the US. A rural town from a flyover state. My parents vaccinated me during the Clinton administration because the whole right wing coalition was there to disagree with him, not convince their rank and file that he was the antichrist.
They can’t make their constituents hate “the left” (for whatever that’s worth in the US) any more than they already do. So why not just do the right thing? You’re correct in that center-left people will never enact what I’m suggesting. I’m going to stick around and make sure better people replace them.
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But they are stopping others from getting what’s needed, their own child. Without said child’s consent.
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That’s a job for a doctor, which I am not.
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The alternative is: not let them opt out for bullshit reasons. Like every other developed country out there
Other developed countries separate church and state, not the US.
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You’re not very smart.
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A final one?
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What you proposed is straight up eugenics. To you, letting babies die preventable deaths because their parents are idiots isn’t a problem, it’s a solution to idiots.
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Simple, you don’t convince them. You give them no choice and impose penalties for not doing it.
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No, I’m American. I didn’t say it was a likely thing to happen, just that it’s a simple fix.
Eliminating opposition is an even simpler fix. It’s unlikely and it should be unlikely because that’s a dangerous road to go down.
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Good thing they aren’t the final arbiter of truth, the all knowing, omniscient, all powerful enforcer of that which is true and just. But you aren’t either, so its good that you also don’t have that power.
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