• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    This logic will elect Republicans again and they will make the situation worse.

    Which is why the wing of the party that capitulates to republicans keeps doing it.

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      17 hours ago

      Democrats in safe seats capitulate and deserve all the criticism they get but not all Democrats want the stairs quo. Minnesota just passed a wealth tax that they have been using to find better public education and free school lunches. New York Mayor Mamdani has been doing amazing things and New Jersey just elected a progressive.

      Positive change is possible we just need more progressives.

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        16 hours ago

        Democrats in safe seats capitulate and deserve all the criticism they get but not all Democrats want the stairs quo.

        Which is why I referred specifically to a wing of the democratic party and not the whole thing.

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          14 hours ago

          the problem is that they’re not in control of the democratic party; the capitulators are.

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              14 hours ago

              which means that they will not give progressives control of the party.

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                  11 hours ago

                  so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?

                  you’re just going to end up w a bernie, aoc, omar, etc. situation where they’re not given enough control to change anything the democratic party’s priorities; but trotted out like show ponys to convince progressives to vote for the democrats anyways.

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                    11 hours ago

                    People like Bernie and AOC are not progressive. They’re nothing more than sheep dogs for the party to keep people locked in the party with false promises of eventually having a seat at the table. Going back to 1984 Democrats have always had a sheepdog to keep voters herded up like sheep.

                    People need to get out of the mindset of reform. We plainly seen that reform over the last hundred years does not work. Eugene Debs talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 100 years ago. WEB DuBois talked about Democrats trying to reform their party 60 years ago. They believe that if they change enough cogs within the machine, the machine will operate differently. It’s time to scrap the machine

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                    11 hours ago

                    so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?

                    Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning.