This is mostly just word-vomit, but I had a random idea while doing a tonne of Xmas shopping and figured you guys might appreciate possibly chewing on it.

What if there potentially was a Fediverse-style alternative / competitor to Amazon Prime, etc. but instead of being one giant marketplace (a la Flohmarkt, etc.), it was made up of independent websites that federate together?


Think something architecturally similar to Lemmy, Mastodon, Peertube, Pixelfed, Loops by Pixelfed, etc, but:

No “instances” in the traditional sense (like Lemmy servers, Mastodon, instances, etc.)

Instead, each shop is its own fully independent website

(e.g.

Gotyka,

Dolls Kill,

Dracula Clothing,

VampireFreaks,

Killstar,

Hot Topic,

Barnes and Noble,

Home Depot,

Everlane,

Kotn,

Pact,

American Giant,

Taylor Stitch,

Outerknown,

plus other shops for books, electronics, home goods, etc.)


The federated layer wouldn’t replace their storefronts. It would just:

Aggregate listings / catalogs

Allow discovery, search, wishlists, maybe reviews

Potentially handle things like recommendations without centralizing power

Function kind of like a decentralized “market index” rather than a single store

In other words: a protocol + shared infrastructure, not a mega-store.


Some half-baked thoughts:

Users might sign in via each individual shop (or perhaps via a shared fediverse identity like ActivityPub / OAuth / something new)

Each store keeps control of branding, stock, payments, policies

The “platform” just connects them into one large, searchable, decentralized marketplace

No single Amazon-style choke point that can enshittify everything


I love this idea in theory, but realistically:

I don’t have the skills, knowledge, or time to build anything like this

I also don’t know if this already exists in some form (OpenBazaar vibes? Solid? Something ActivityPub-adjacent?)

This is more of a conceptual “what if” than a proposal


But the idea stuck with me because:

I hate how centralized Amazon is

I like how the Fediverse decentralizes control

And holiday shopping really highlights how fragmented yet monopolized online commerce has become


So I’m mostly curious:

Is this technically feasible with existing Fediverse tech?

Has something like this already been attempted?

What would be the biggest blockers — payments, trust, logistics, identity, incentives?

Would independent shops even want this, or would it be more attractive to smaller creators?

Is there a protocol or project adjacent to this idea?


This idea honestly came from Xmas shopping fatigue and bouncing between a million tabs, wishing there was a non-Amazon way to do “one stop shopping” without recreating Amazon itself.

Curious to hear thoughts, critiques, or “this already exists and you reinvented the wheel” responses.


Also, feel more than welcome to steal the idea.

  • Meron35@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    This already exists, albeit not in federated form. It fundamentally doesn’t work because the market players have an incentive to withhold as much information as possible, because any mistakes consumers make from not comparing prices is direct profit surplus.

    Collecting the information in the first place is also difficult, because it would essentially require getting the consent of most sellers (which they are disincentivised to provide), or just scraping it (often illegally).

    Thus, such an aggregator requires too much work/risk, which needs to be compensated for. Consumers generally don’t like the idea of simply paying for independent advice/brokers, so we are stuck paying in other ways, such as via personal data and behavioural surplus for commercial tech sites, of which numerous exist.

    Most search engines such as Google (eww I know) already have a shopping specific search page. eBay and Gumtree also have existed for decades.

    eCommerce platforms like AliExpress and Amazon also already do this, if you set the filters to only be third party sellers.

    There’s also category specific aggregators such as PCPartPicker/Newegg.

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    4 hours ago

    We don’t even have a way to quickly search the freely posted text on the fedi.

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    14 hours ago

    The innovation for Amazon isn’t the product list, it’s the logistics. Without centralized warehousing and distribution you’ve just recreated eBay or Etsy.

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      11 hours ago

      And it’s impossible to catch up to them at this point. It would take DoJ antitrust action to open up the playing field, or federal eminent domain action to nationalize it.

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    14 hours ago

    Not a bad idea for small businesses - having a central place to purchase direct from retailers is a nice idea, I think where it may struggle is:

    Verifying seller authenticity / avoiding scam products

    • In a fully open marketplace its hard to enforce accountability. Amazon has teams of people removing fraud items (and they still have rampant fraud).
    • Amazon functions as an insurer on sales - if you receive a fraudulent item, amazon eats the cost (and tries to cover it from the seller)

    Part of Amazon’s market dominance and convenience is owning the logistics

    • Amazon operates massive warehouses and has tons of money invested in logistics, so orders can be consolidated
    • All of the savings of not paying the “Amazon tax” will just become the FedEx/UPS tax

    This is not to say it can’t be done but Amazon has billions of dollars of infrastructure that’s hard to replace with volunteer programming

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    13 hours ago

    So 10 have the same product, then what? Race to the bottom again? What about key details that are not easy to see but can be important? Amazon really is shit in this regard already, but randomly mixing shops will only be worse.

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    14 hours ago

    I was thinking of this myself, but I think there are a couple challanges.

    To gain widespread adoption, you need trust. This is complicated when you have a large amount of vendors. How are people going to access it? Will they go through different sites? How are you going to handle payments? And what if you buy multiple products from different vendors at once? How do you deal with a vendor misbehaving? Do you deferate with them, what if others don’t? What if a vendor spams or uses fall advertising?

    I don’t think a federated webshop with the current fediverse model works, but I think it’s still possible with more organization.

    There could be non-profit’s or coop’s that manages the single customer facing website, moderates the site, and other matters that need to be handled centrally. Similar to how there are people organizing real life markets that bring the stalls, advertise the event locally, etc.

    The software behind the web store would be an open source project which receives funding through the aforementioned organizations.