• RustyShackleford@piefed.social
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      It’s likely one of many reasons Trump is so anti-FBI in his first term, train his followers to think they can’t be trusted.

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      It’s not evidence of a crime. It’s a report. Someone said it, it got written down.

      I’m not saying it is or it is not true.

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      That’s not what the Epstein files are. They’re literally any paperwork related to him, even the tips from kooks. Some reaches the level of evidence, most is cruft.

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        This “paperwork” suggests that TRUMP murdered a newborn and dumped it into a lake after having SEX with a CHILD.

        Are YOU suggesting that we treat it as gossip or should we look a bit closer???

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          I’m saying an accusation can be made by anyone, and does not automatically constitute fact. Its presence in the file doesn’t mean the claim was substantiated.

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            This accusation was not made by “anyone”. It was made by the woman who watched him murder her newborn.

            Why would she say that? Money? Fame? Power? She currently HAS none of that.

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              The report was made a couple months before the 2020 election. Many others also made wild reports. I saw two others in the Epstein files made literally 6 days for the election.

              There are plenty of reasons to make up a story.

              But sure, they should go and investigate it. Starting with the woman and her uncle. Oh wait, I bet the uncle is dead. And I bet she took great effort to gather evidence… right…?

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                There are plenty of reasons to make up a story.

                Like being targeted for harassment and possibly get murdered? This is not a typical rape accusation, it is made against someone who has been carrying out extra-judicial murders abroad.

                And I bet she took great effort to gather evidence

                This is classic rape apologetics. It is not the victim’s job to collect evidence while they are distressed, that’s the job of the investigators.

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                  Trump has not been committing murders abroad. That’s not how the law works. He’s president and commander in chief, he can order people killed legally.

                  And he wasn’t president when the report was made.

                  It is not the victim’s job to collect evidence while they are distressed

                  She had like 36 years to do… SOMETHING. Statements from people who she confided in, maybe someone who knew she was 8 months pregnant and then suddenly not, without a baby. Something to place Trump there at that time? But no, just a very brief “oh ya, and he witnessed my uncle killing my baby.”

                  I was almost strangled to death when resisting someone who was trying to rape me. I told my friends right after, and reported to police within hours. I kept the clothes with DNA evidence, had the police take photos of all the physical trauma. 10 years later I still remember every minute of the 3 hour ordeal. I couldn’t imagine watching my baby getting murdered by people raping me and just doing nothing. I have a hard time sympathizing. She’s either lying or doesn’t care much about what happened to her.

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              To shift blame? For attention? Mental illness? We don’t know enough of the context. Was it investigated? What was the outcome? Was it deemed credible?

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                  They don’t delete reports from record when they’re deemed not credible. Not even when they’re proven false.

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                  Again, the files are a dump of everything they have related to Epstein. There is no credibility threshold.

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                    I noticed that there is NOTHIING from ME in the Epstein files. I said lots of things about him.