• StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.ca
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    13 hours ago

    Because they jail/disappear anyone who complains? Lol.

    Edit: Without entrenched freedom of speech, surveys mean nothing but what respondants think their opressors want to hear.

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        12 hours ago

        You seem to struggle with the simple concept. So badly in fact, that I suspect this is all disingenuous bullshit from a bad faith ideologue.

        In the slight chance this is just a high level of ignorance, naievety or low IQ, here is my polite response.

        Oppressed people won’t tell anyone anything that can be used against them, western or not. Pew Research isn’t going to protect them. The Ash institute won’t un-disapear anyone. The people speaking to western, even academic sources still have to live under oppression when the survey is done.

        Speaking to foreign journalist is a great way to get your family threatened.

        https://rsf.org/en/chinese-regime-s-fierce-repression-journalists-hidden-behind-day-celebration

        Edit: Never mind. For bad faith arguments I hereby award you a personal block.

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          Quoting RSF, the western politicized organization that refused to comment on the illegal arbitrary detention of a Spanish journalist in Poland. The organization classifying England’s “Press Freedom Index” as satisfactory while all sorts of reporters bring up the massive repression against anti-zionism in all media. Surely that Montpellier-based organization with branches exclusively in western countries could not be used as a political tool!

          You have literally never spoken to a Chinese person living in China, and it shows.

          Oppressed people won’t tell anyone anything that can be used against them, western or not

          Look. I understand you’ve been exposed to decades of anti-China propaganda, but this is fucking wild. In my university department I’ve been fortunate enough to direct the master’s and bachelor’s theses of some 10 Chinese students. I’ve discussed politics with most of them, between 2020 and 2024 for a frame of reference. We’re talking highly trained young men and women from a variety of backgrounds and provinces. None of them has had any problem talking to me about politics, other than “I’m not really interested” for some of them. Out of those students, only one chose to pursue a career in Germany (highly developed, rich country in Europe), the rest moved back to “authoritarian, evil, oppressive” China.

          The one who chose to stay in Germany told me that he came to Europe considering himself an opposition supporter against the government of China, but that when he saw the politics in Europe, he started to be a lot more charitative towards the Chinese government and he’s not so clear about his position anymore. Another student told me she couldn’t understand how the German government did nothing while hundreds of thousands of citizens were needlessly dying of COVID because it didn’t want to infringe too much on “the economy”.

          Tell me now: how many actually Chinese people living in China have you spoken with?