• Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    China is not doing this out of kindness or altruism in any respects. They don’t care about people wanting to have kids. They’re doing it because they need more poor people to keep working and replenishing the poor workers, to prop up the elite class. Why can’t you see this?

    Not isolated to China. Most western countries including the US have the same goals, it’s not altruistic.

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      13 hours ago

      Yes, there is real concern that measures to prop up birth rates might become coercive. That people may feel pressured to reproduce whether they want to or not.

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        10 hours ago

        there is real concern

        By who?

        people may feel pressured

        There is nothing the cpc could do that would register compared to the pressure exerted by the average parent.

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          10 hours ago

          You don’t foresee governments being capable of engaging in coercive, if not outright totalitarian measures?

          As a simple hypothetical example: consider the effect of banning (or otherwise significantly restricting) contraceptives.

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            7 hours ago

            Governments? Yes. China specifically? Probably not. Korea maybe, because they’ve been having some extremely normal politics as of late.

            Chinese dudes I’ve talked to have lamented the contradictory pressure and social requirements of getting married, I can’t predict what kind of policy would help address this. Promoting gay marriage and adoption? Telling parents it’s fine if everyone doesn’t get married? Housing subsidies for grandparents to move nearby and provide childcare so a smaller dowry is acceptable? Letting immigrants on spouse visas work?

            The women I’ve talked to have mostly lamented the same bullshit women everywhere deal with, dudes cheating or being unwilling to put in the same effort. IDK if these concerns will result in policy changes.

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      14 hours ago

      Sure but that’s a totally different discussion than the other commentor making it about themselves