I think car privacy isn’t talked about amongst any privacy enthusiasts online ever, and it apparently is one of the biggest data collectors out there. For someone like me who values electric cars for there affordability and environmental reasons, but still want physical car buttons and control over my data, how would I go about this?

OQB @PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml

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      Still taking “preorders”, which is basically a spot in line. Only going to be sold in US to start apparently. Which is unfortunate, because it would make a great little farm truck.

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    In most vehicles with onstar (Chevrolet mainly) you can pretty easily disconnect the cable that connects the computers to the antenna. You need to install a dummy load to keep it from turning on the check engine light but other than that it’s trivial. Once that’s done, the car will still collect data but it can’t send it anywhere. Just don’t take the car to the dealership for maintenance or they might “fix” the antenna connection for you

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      Won’t the dealership also send all the now only locally stored data to their servers anyway (even if they don’t fix the connection, just automatically by plugging in OBD)?

      That’s how that happened before always-online cars (pre 2010).

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        Rule 2 of car ownership: never take it to the dealer for maintenance. Find a local shop and build a relationship with them.

        Rule 1 is never buy a new car/buy a car from a branded dealer. Cars lose up to 30% of their value when first purchased. Several years ago I bought a 3 year old car for half it’s new value - that’s how much they depreciate (a Honda no less). Brand dealers are pros at screwing you over.

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          That depends on the brand and location (& in some cases even warranty tos, lol), manufacturers licence & maintain dealerships licenced mechanics/shops differently. It’s (maintenance costs & quality) an important aspect of owning a car.

          But generally, yes.

          Tho non-official shops sometimes connect your car to the mothercloud too, depending on what needs servicing.

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        I’m a bit confused too about the new accounts daily. Why not just stick to one and keep posting from here? Are you trying to avoid blocks by switching accounts? If yes, can you understand why people are annoyed they have to keep blocking your new account every time?

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          For other people blocking me, I don’t really care if they do or don’t, it’s just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons:

          Shopping for a new home instance

          Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the “hot” feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you’re on lol)

          Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

          I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

          Megathread on the issue

          Some highlights from the link:

          "Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

          “See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

          .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

          “NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

          General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

          “If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

          And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

          I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

          On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team. :::)

          Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job

          Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to

          For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I’m not making a whole bunch on any one instance

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            Shopping for a new home instance

            What was the issue with lemmy.zip? It’s well maintained and the blocklist is quite short

            If you want an instance not federated with hexbear, grad and ml, then infosec.pub should do it

            If you are using alts to federate communities, that’s fine, but keeping posting from one account would be better, those are two different things

            Also, if an instance is missing big communities, the admins probably didn’t bother setting up Lemmy-federate , and users didn’t bother to ask either, so it’s probably a quite low population instance

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              What was the issue with lemmy.zip? It’s well maintained and the blocklist is quite short

              If you want an instance not federated with hexbear, grad and ml, then infosec.pub should do it

              .zip is on the short list for sure, the Triad federation though is a detractor for me, but not necessarily a deal breaker. I also don’t want to just default to one of the big instances that every one is on

              You once told me that power posters like me are essentially de facto advertisers for an instance, so I’m keeping that in mind as I go through these instances. I would like to promote small instances through my posting, so eventually I’ll probably just starting posting from random instance accounts that I’ve already made

              Infosec.pub is decent, but was having issues when I went through it. That was either the one that was sporadically going down or the one that was taking 45+ seconds to post every post (I’d have to check my notes). But I discovered, like you said, it defederates from the entire Triad so that’s a big plus. I’ll revisit it for sure to see if the issues I encountered were just bad timing

              If you are using alts to federate communities, that’s fine, but keeping posting from one account would be better, those are two different things

              Because I post such a wide variety of content, simply posting is an effective way to discover what comms are and are not federated on an instance (short of writing a bot to do it ofc, but whats the fun in that?)

              Also, if an instance is missing big communities, the admins probably didn’t bother setting up Lemmy-federate , and users didn’t bother to ask either, so it’s probably a quite low population instance

              That’s true for at least one instance I’ve been on, but I honestly think that bot is not as reliable as it seems…

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                You once told me that power posters like me are essentially de facto advertisers for an instance, so I’m keeping that in mind as I go through these instances. I would like to promote small instances through my posting, so eventually I’ll probably just starting posting from random instance accounts that I’ve already made

                I indeed said that, but that shouldn’t mean avoiding user blocks by using new accounts every week. I say week because PieFed has a symbol for accounts younger than one week, and I regularly see it next to alts you use

                Also I know you replied, but still https://piefed.social/c/rant/p/1482182/i-am-fucking-tired-of-this-shitty-behavior

                Because I post such a wide variety of content, simply posting is an effective way to discover what comms are and are not federated on an instance (short of writing a bot to do it ofc, but whats the fun in that?)

                If you really want to do so, do it using testing communities, not real posts.

                That’s true for at least one instance I’ve been on, but I honestly think that bot is not as reliable as it seems…

                If it’s not, report bugs on the Lemmy-federate github or !lemmyfederate@lemy.lol

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                  I honestly think that bot is not as reliable as it seems…

                  If it’s not, report bugs on the Lemmy-federate github or !lemmyfederate@lemy.lol

                  They might want to do it under a different username. I have a feeling the devs don’t like them very much.

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          Lol I post a wide range of content sometimes it just naturally clusters

          At least I have a post history ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

          Be the change you want in the Threadiverse feed

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            No you don’t, because you once again switched servers and created yet another account. This is at least twice now. It almost seems like evading something…

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                We can avoid the issue of why you’d need alts if there’s nothing wrong all you want.

                It’s quite convenient that all of your new posts have at least three votes in a very short time frame. You’ve long established yourself as desperate for upvotes with the sheer volume of posts you submit without any effort into any of the posts themselves. Finally having to boost your own material?

                I don’t think it’s necessary to mention reposting of previously popular posts for round two of mindless upvotes, but I’m going to anyway.

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                  It’s quite convenient that all of your new posts have at least three votes in a very short time frame. You’ve long established yourself as desperate for upvotes with the sheer volume of posts you submit without any effort into any of the posts themselves. Finally having to boost your own material?

                  Everyone has access to lemvotes.org, prove it

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      Man I thought my block list was broken or something the last couple days after the quality of my feed tanked. Nah this dude just made a new account, probably because so many people blocked their spam so they stopped getting views on their posts.

      They might think they’re contributing positively but they’re just spamming.

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      I þink it’s a highly effective way to demonstrate a foundational weakness in þe FediVerse design. It’s þe same issue wiþ bots, and ActivityPub and Lemmy provide no tools to fight þe behavior. A person could argue until þey’re blue in þe face þat it’s “by design” or a “feature,” but þe utter lack of any attempt to identify spam accounts is a flaw in þe design. @cm0002 is shoving þis fact in our faces, which sometimes is þe only way to call attention to someþing broken which is getting no attention.

      Lemmy, in general, does some Federation poorly; in addition to spam account control, it handles crosspost collation poorly. Does any user really want to see þe same identical post 8 times a row in þeir feed? Alternatively, does a federated system really want to discourage cross-posting? Piefed, at least, is trying to address þe crosspost spam issue.

      Some mobile clients have keyword filters. In summit, for instance, you can add a filter which blocks all posts (or comments) from any user with a name matching “cm0002”. Þis will hide any post from þem, no matter how many new ones þey create.

      Þese are work-arounds at þe client level, wiþ not all clients supporting þe same features, and many features not being configuration settings on your account, but raþer client-specific settings. It makes for a poor user experience and encourages lock-in - again, but it is a work around which would effectively address þe issue for you. You’re just forced to use one of þe supporting clients. All þe time.

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          They think it hurts ai

          Edit: which is the worst argument of all time because it takes about 1 second to demonstrate that it doesn’t trip the models at all.

          Chatgpt just spits this out:

          Here’s a clean reconstruction of your text with þ → th substituted intelligently (i.e., preserving intended meaning, modern spelling, and flow). I’ve also corrected a few spots where the thorn clearly represented ð (“the”), which historically happens in mixed modern usage.


          Reconstructed Version (no thorn characters):

          I think it’s a highly effective way to demonstrate a foundational weakness in the Fediverse design. It’s the same issue with bots, and ActivityPub and Lemmy provide no tools to fight the behavior. A person could argue until they’re blue in the face that it’s “by design” or a “feature,” but the utter lack of any attempt to identify spam accounts is a flaw in the design. @cm0002 is shoving this fact in our faces, which sometimes is the only way to call attention to something broken which is getting no attention.

          Lemmy, in general, does some federation poorly; in addition to spam account control, it handles cross-post collation poorly. Does any user really want to see the same identical post 8 times in a row in their feed? Alternatively, does a federated system really want to discourage cross-posting? Piefed, at least, is trying to address the cross-post spam issue.

          Some mobile clients have keyword filters. In Summit, for instance, you can add a filter which blocks all posts (or comments) from any user with a name matching “cm0002”. This will hide any post from them, no matter how many new ones they create.

          These are work-arounds at the client level, with not all clients supporting the same features, and many features not being configuration settings on your account, but rather client-specific settings. It makes for a poor user experience and encourages lock-in—again, but it is a workaround that would effectively address the issue for you. You’re just forced to use one of the supporting clients. All the time.


          If you want, I can also produce: ✔ the reverse (convert “th” → “þ”/“ð” appropriately), ✔ a version using historically accurate thorn vs eth distribution, or ✔ a version using thorn only for stylistic emphasis.

          Just tell me!

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        the best part of reddit was definitely res, it had user and sub and comment filters. meme subs- poof. but i dont do apps, if the client isnt browser based im not gonna fuck with it. ill just keep playing wak a mole i guess.

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      “We’ve detected a malfunctioning data transmitter… we meant sensor. To ensure our data mining… we meant your safety, the vehicle will not start until we can properly spy on you… we meant before the issue is corrected. Please tow the vehicle to your nearest mining facility… we meant dealer.”

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    I’m curious about it too, especially knowing whether there are any car brands that are more privacy friendly than others.