We’ve got an issue here. It won’t let me see the post. I believe you, but is there an archive version of this?
Edit: Here is the original article: https://www.404media.co/ice-and-cbp-agents-are-scanning-peoples-faces-on-the-street-to-verify-citizenship/
Archive link since that’s behind a paywall: https://archive.ph/C7jJu
Even China’s facial recognition is wrong like 20-30% of the time
This is going to have so many false positives…
This is going to have so many false positives…
That’s the idea.
It’s the smartphone version of “I smelled marijuana,” bet there’s a setting to double tap a button and flag an offending person regardless of documentation.
And China doesn’t have any black people, for whom facial rec is notoriously inaccurate.
Oh, yeah, false positives all over the place.
If you get ensnared by this little scheme, make the best of it. Keep track of everything that happens during your detainment, down to the slightest inconvenience, because you are going to blow that up when you get your case into a courtroom. Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.
The first line kinda ignores the minorities in China. It’s mostly Han so the minorities suffer similar discrimination there due to lack of representation or excessive regional enforcement
I’m not saying that China doesn’t have its own forms of racism and discrimination, I was just pointing out that studies have shown that facial recognition systems are far less accurate with black people, which America has in far higher numbers than China. If there are already going to be false positives for a country like China, it’s going to be much higher in America, where we have a population segment that doesn’t really exist in China, which has a notorious poor accuracy for facial rec.
Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.
Might wanna be careful with those genie wishes, in context.
Is something like that is that wrong it cannot be admissible in court.
I’m not sure why you think the courts would be involved.
Maybe that’s part of why they don’t want any of these people to step foot in court
Ha! Court.
Potentially, but they have been detaining people before they can see a court and deporting them immediately, they don’t care.
Exclusive: algorithm used by fascism app has been leaked!
Who would win?
An app connected to a server
1 itty bitty DDOS attack
Error, couldn’t reach server. Default judgment: guilty
Double tap to declare guilty and deport. Single tap to deport
Is it time for LOIC to make a comeback?
And yet apps helping identify ICE agents are taken down.
Rules for thee, yada yada
My immediate thought as well.
This is analogous to drug sniffing dogs; the purpose isn’t that the technique is valid, it’s that is provides a plausible excuse for an action.
I actually do not understand how some people find this unconcerning. This is like blatantly dangerous.
I’m just surprised that they didn’t call the app Minority Report - I mean it’s right there and so accurate
Probably would have if it was made by Palantir, since they seem to have no problems with particularly on the nose names. Although tbh I’m not sure who made the app after searching for a bit.
Doesn’t OP’s pic say “developers at CBP”?
Though I’m surprised they have “developers” on staff. I’d guess they were contractors?
probably using palintir derived app?
40% of the population.
Dangerous? It’s outrageously illegal. Unless we’re just gonna say all documentation is null and void. Which. We’re not.
The state determines what is legal and illegal. It’s mostly irrelevant in the discussion of the evil that a state does. Apartheid was legal, so was slavery, so was the Holocaust
The administration has shown they have less than zero respect for any sort of laws or precedents set by the past, and at this point whether something is illegal just blends into the background, as you could say they do illegal things every day. Dangerous is a more fitting term to provide a sense of urgency
everyone is in denial that everything will “return to normal” when trump dies, and hoping that happens within this 2nd term. mind you “normal” in that sense is unsustainable ratfucking of any and all public funds to the detriment of everything else
…when he dies and nothing else changes…
that’s when shit goes from bad to worse real fucking quick
Fascism: there’s an app for that!
404 Media is journalist owned (there are four of them) and they’re doing some of the best journalism in the USA lately. I signed up about a year ago and don’t regret it. If you’ve got the extra cash and you actually give a damn about our broken media landscape, you could find a lot worse places to spend it.
Uhm excuse me is this app available in an official app store? Does this mean ICE SIDELOADED THEIR APP?
No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.
It’s likely a work profile type dealio, right? My last job you could activate the work profile and it automatically installed the work appropriate apps.
Yes. Easily. They can probably bypass all of the app store review requirements n shit too that way.
No, they are just using a standard MDM solution. Device gets setup on the organization Mobile Device Management system, and it has its own app store with the apps the business uses. There is not requirement for apps to be listed in the App Store or Play Store. Any business can provide their own apps for use in their MDM system.
Serious answer to non-serious question, corpos can deliver apps to phones past app stores, e.g. intune/company portal etc.
Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.
Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.
There’s no due process anymore. Why do you believe you’ll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They’re just out there assaulting and disappearing people.
Why would I give in without putting up a fight? Is throwing my hands up and going “oops, no due process, out of luck” going to do me any good? I’m sure they’ll try to do illegal things, but courts do still exist, and I want them to have to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to do what they want
Well you either submit and risk getting deported or you resist and likely just end up dead or with life long injuries and deported.
You arnt owed due process since your arnt ever arrested. You don’t go to court.
Ice is superceding the system by just side stepping it.
You also get a court-appointed lawyer if you don’t have other options and staying silent in jail for a week is preferable to admitting whatever they want you to admit to secure a conviction.
Don’t Talk Without A Lawyer (Working for You) Present.™
I wish you well but you may be underestimating how far down we’ve gone. If you try to walk away or put up a fight, and you will be swarmed by cops who will take you to the ground with no concern for the injury they are doing. At the least you will be bleeding, at the worst you’ll get some broken ribs or worse.
Once they’re done beating on you, you will be detained, I won’t say arrested, and you will be taken to an ICE facility where you will not get a phone call or access to a lawyer or medical care. After a day or two, maybe less, you will be transferred to an ICE facility a few states away, or maybe on the other side of the nation. Your friends and family will not be informed and will have no way to find you until ICE decides you’ve had enough and let’s you go. Assuming they don’t just deport you for the hell of it.
Remember, until you prove you’re a citizen, you don’t get due process. And of course, without due process you can’t prove you are a citizen.
An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate?
The issueance of said birth certificates is a power reserved to the states, and state-issued documents must be given full faith and credit. US citizenship is supposed to be secondary to someone’s citizenship to the state. So, if the states have to give them credit, so too must the federal government.
Bold of you to assume they don’t already have your face and that they need to be in your vicinity to scan it.
… What do you think they even have an app for.
To receive a notification that someone got detected?
To be fair no where does it state this is a phone app and how it actually works.
It probably isn’t but for all I know this is someone sitting in an office with a tablet connected to all kinds of public cameras.
App used in the field
Very heavily implies a mobile device of some sort…if you can’t put together the context clues, that’s between you and your first grade teacher.
Well if you are going to be pedantic about it.
To receive a notification that someone got detected?
Because it does read like it’s something mobile.
To be fair no where does it state this is a phone app and how it actually works.
Because It literally doesn’t. Software on a laptop used in a van checks all boxes. App is short for “application” and not phone exclusive.
It probably isn’t but for all I know this is someone sitting in an office with a tablet connected to all kinds of public cameras.
It probably isn’t because I am just throwing out an example while only half sober.
Just put together the context clues and maybe there was no need to be so needlessly annoying.
This was a lot of excuses for you being wrong.
Like, you could look up the name of the app and not have made up all this bullshit just to justify your speaking from ignorance.
my god you are insufferable.
Your reading comprehension sucks btw my Initial comment is much more general then just this one app. You thinking I need an excuse says enough, i don’t need one to add to the conversation.
You know damn well what “mobile Fortnite” is going to get you as a search result and it’s not like 60% of results aren’t ai written and copying eachother.
If you are such an expert on this software how about you enlighten us.
Have a Happy Halloween now and stop fighting people that are presumably on your side, by which I hope to mean against automised mass surveillance.
I’m sure they have my face already, I have a drivers license. I struggle to see how they could scan my face without being somewhere in roughly the same physical proximity though
Cameras have gotten crazy good, I know the standard looking cameras in my local airport can scan faces because they were very proud of how efficiently they could detect known criminals.
Then they just send a team to arrest, formalities are over before you realise your being apprehended.
Of course an airport is a high security area but cameras are increasingly everywhere.
I really really really hope that when this is all said and done, every single one of these people face consequences. And we all know what consequences the people want.
Just like the Nazis!! Oh wait USA has pardon most of them, specially in Japan (They’re still in power)
Over 70% of the government of West Germany in the 1950s was made up of Nazis. De-nazification literally never happened anywhere except the USSR. The USSR even had to build a wall in Berlin to keep the Nazis from coming over and fucking with things.
The USSR put plenty of Nazis in power. The problem they had was that there were a lot of Nazis or Nazi supporters. It’s hard to say how effective the USSR’s denazification was, they didn’t let us see a lot of their data at the time. Looking at the map for AFD support though, I’m not sure it has as long term of an effect as it should have.
Go back to .ml
Typical libshit. When confronted by facts that contradict their worldview, they resort to ad hominems.
Boomerberg trails.
of course the app creators intended it to be used like that. anyone in that field knew exactly where things were likely to head because they always head that way. if you hadn’t paid attention to that type of surveillance technology that you might not know but these people definitely did. They wanted it, they got it, and now they’re pretending to be embarrassed.
Sounds like a visit from some hackers to make everyone legal is in order.
Man anonymous and whoever are just script kiddies apparently. A decade into this fuckery and - what? They downloaded ICE agent names to pass amongst themselves and giggle about?
SAD!
Life comes full circle Nazis did genocide to Jews so now Israeli are enabling Nazis, while carrying out genocide of their own.
