Yes, I believe I covered that when I said “and push more Americans into poverty”.
I’m not ignoring the plight of those people for whom starvation would be a very real threat in this scenario. But that’s not the same thing as famine, and thinking that it is reflects a uniquely American level of isolation from the realities of the world. Poverty is terrifying - I’ve experienced it myself - but it is an entirely different order of magnitude from famine.
I know people who’ve experienced famine. I know people who’ve told me stories about taking a shit, and then immediately scooping it up and eating it just to sate the desparate, unbearable need to have some kind of food in their stomach. That’s the level of insanity famine drives you to. It’s a scale of hunger you and I can’t even comprehend.
Nowhere in my previous comment did I say “It will be OK if American agriculture collapses.” It would be awful. Many people would die, many more would suffer. But the absolute worst of that suffering wouldn’t happen in the US, it would happen in other parts of the world that most Americans can’t even name.
I don’t know what the odds are on the US or a part of the US reaching the technical definition of famine, I’m just saying I wouldn’t put it in the “definitely not happening” category. And it wouldn’t be because there’s not enough food available, more like the government is actively aggravating domestic food production and international trade and they’re bumbling morons, which is a combination that could easily get us into shortages where a large chunk of the population is starving. And depending on which Americans it affects (or affects the most), the government may not care. Not saying it’s definitely going to happen, but I think it’s naive to say it definitely won’t just based on America’s buying power.
FWIW I agree that the current situation, whatever it’s impact on America’s food security, will impact other parts of the world more severely. I’m sure America’s shit will still roll downhill.
Yes, I believe I covered that when I said “and push more Americans into poverty”.
I’m not ignoring the plight of those people for whom starvation would be a very real threat in this scenario. But that’s not the same thing as famine, and thinking that it is reflects a uniquely American level of isolation from the realities of the world. Poverty is terrifying - I’ve experienced it myself - but it is an entirely different order of magnitude from famine.
I know people who’ve experienced famine. I know people who’ve told me stories about taking a shit, and then immediately scooping it up and eating it just to sate the desparate, unbearable need to have some kind of food in their stomach. That’s the level of insanity famine drives you to. It’s a scale of hunger you and I can’t even comprehend.
Nowhere in my previous comment did I say “It will be OK if American agriculture collapses.” It would be awful. Many people would die, many more would suffer. But the absolute worst of that suffering wouldn’t happen in the US, it would happen in other parts of the world that most Americans can’t even name.
I don’t know what the odds are on the US or a part of the US reaching the technical definition of famine, I’m just saying I wouldn’t put it in the “definitely not happening” category. And it wouldn’t be because there’s not enough food available, more like the government is actively aggravating domestic food production and international trade and they’re bumbling morons, which is a combination that could easily get us into shortages where a large chunk of the population is starving. And depending on which Americans it affects (or affects the most), the government may not care. Not saying it’s definitely going to happen, but I think it’s naive to say it definitely won’t just based on America’s buying power.
FWIW I agree that the current situation, whatever it’s impact on America’s food security, will impact other parts of the world more severely. I’m sure America’s shit will still roll downhill.