• PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    17 hours ago

    My parents are lifelong Democrats. When I ask them questions about any specific policy, they are vehemently against if it involves raising taxes even slightly. Voting Democrat makes them feel better about themselves. They always ask me to fill their ballots in, I have to refuse and lecture them every time. They love CNN.

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        10 hours ago

        Simple English: My parents vote Democrat but don’t support Democrat policies. They are staunch Libertarians who think voting Democrat makes them look good to their children. They also don’t like to vote and want their children to decide for them, which is antidemocratic. They watch news outlets that spew disinformation. They’re not much different from most Republicans. I suspect many other Americans are the same.

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          I think Americans can perceive how fucked up and corrupt their government is but they lack any theoretical analysis to determine the nature of it. So all they have is a general perception that the government doesn’t work for them and that creates an inherent distrust of any government program, no matter what it does.

          So an American might believe that universal healthcare is a good policy, but they also believe that in practice if such a policy were enacted it would mean that money being siphoned off by the ultra rich, with nothing fundamentally changing. They would be paying the taxes of a universal healthcare state, but the actual system would continue as-is, and they would still need to pay ridiculous prices. Thus getting double-dicked for no benefit.

          The thing is this is probable. Section 8 is a massive subsidy to landlords. The ACA is a massive subsidy to insurance companies. But if you asked Americans why this keeps happening they would just spout some nonsense about R’s and D’s, or some particular politician, or whatever.

          This cynicism spans both “blue” and “red” America. I think it’s the heart of the rot in our society. It’s not really a society at all in the sense that people have lost the belief that we, collectively, can work together to achieve more than what’s possible working alone. When that breaks the only motive people still believe in is the extractive motive of corporations. They believe that only the rich can make things happen, and thus are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by electing venal politicians who believe the same.

          Obviously I’m generalizing here, but just an undercurrent I’ve observed. It’s not coherent, but it is consistent across the “spectrum” of American politics. This ultra wealthy magnify this narrative since it suits them.