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  • Reygle@lemmy.world
    10·
    24 hours ago

    I can’t believe people elected a felon grifter criminal liar cheater pervert casino bankrupter with the express goal of burning the country to the ground and THIS might MIGHT be the line they draw in the sand.

  • Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
    14·
    1 day ago

    There was already abundant evidence of Trump’s link with Epstein. I think the more interesting aspect of this is that it was published in a Murdoch rag over Trump’s protests. It may be evidence the business elites are turning on Trump.

  • shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works
    102·
    2 days ago

    "There must be more to life than having everything”, the note read.

    Donald: Yes, there is, but I won’t tell you what it is

    Jeffrey: Nor will I, since I also know what it is

    Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey

    Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it

    Donald: Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?

    Jeffrey: As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you

    Trump: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.

  • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
    752·
    2 days ago

    Trump was a supplier of girls to Epstein through his pageants. Everyone is saying it.

    • NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world
      52·
      1 day ago

      First time I heard of that and it would be strange for a buyer to become a supplier. “Everyone is saying it.” Are you trying to muddy the waters with fake rumors?

      • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
        212·
        1 day ago

        I mean, yeah. MAGA is immune to logic and reason, but conspiracies are their refuge from cognitive dissonance. We just have to be willing to weaponize it.

        • NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world
          11·
          1 day ago

          Ok, I see. I don’t like that approach, myself. It feels like a short term gain that would turn negative in the long term, when nothing has credibility anymore.

          • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            22 hours ago

            We are at the brink. It would be amazing if facts and logical argument won the day. I’d like to get there again, but when the manosphere or whatever is deciding elections then we have to fight the battle that is before us with the tactics that will get us to that bright future.

    • Serinus@lemmy.world
      86·
      2 days ago

      Is there evidence of this? Let’s wait til there’s real evidence, because it’s not unlikely.

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        2·
        20 hours ago

        The interview with his Atlantic City manager said he flew 28 “modeling agency” girls down for a “party” for just him and Epstein. Epstein recruited more than one trafficked girl from trump’s house.

        It’s not that much of a stretch, is it.

  • Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world
    2·
    21 hours ago

    It contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker. A pair of small arcs denotes the woman’s breasts, and the future president’s signature is a squiggly “Donald” below her waist, mimicking pubic hair.

  • Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de
    441·
    2 days ago

    Yeah, this would have needed something much more serious (than a non fatal chronic condition) to get it buried under the news cycle. A dead VP and Elon would have gotten pretty close. (If anyone from the Whitehouse is looking for suggestions on Lemmy)

  • kamenLady.@lemmy.world
    311·
    2 days ago

    which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker

    His habits will one day become his downfall

  • criss_cross@lemmy.world
    281·
    2 days ago

    Is he gonna claim on TruthSocial that Obama went back in time and planted this in Epstein’s book?

      • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz
        23·
        2 days ago

        This could be very good. A lawsuit would keep it in the news, and lying in court is a whole different kettle of fish than lying on truth social. And the veracity of the evidence and any supporting evidence would become public knowledge (probably). It’s like “what are you going to do, organize all the evidence you have against me in a clear and persuasive manor?” says man who had evidence against him organized in a clear and persuasive manor, by a news source, and in full view of other news sources.

        • Boddhisatva@lemmy.worldEnglish
          17·
          2 days ago

          It’ll never happen. As soon as Trump’s lawyers explain the discovery process to him again, he’ll stop talking about suing and do something bizarre and frightening to distract the media.

  • dogerwaul@pawb.social
    221·
    2 days ago

    oh wow this is actually really bad for him lmfao. if his base was getting pissed before this then it’s about to get so much worse for him because that weird typewritten note back and forth between the two… h’oboy.

    • criss_cross@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 day ago

      Looking at some of the messaging they’re saying it’s a made up hit piece because Trump doesn’t write poetry.

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        2·
        20 hours ago

        You mean they’re lapping up his shit and learning exactly nothing from any of it?!?

        That is so unlike them.

  • Death_Equity@lemmy.world
    234·
    2 days ago

    Not dismissing this:

    A lot of people who are rich or deal with a lot of people, like Donny, have an assistant that deals with the tedious social crap like birthday letters. A great assistant would know to send an appropriate card for a given person. So a devote christian would get a card with something about Jesus and a sex-trafficker would get a lewd sexual card. How much oversight on the cards would depend on the person and a control freak like Donny would probably see the card, chuckle, and sign it.

    So Donny sending a card doesn’t necessarily imply a close friendship like you would expect with a typical person.

    All the same, release the client list and whoever gets nailed to a wall deserves it and it should be a bipartisan issue to keep harassing the admin until they release the names and people go to jail or some other fate.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      17·
      2 days ago

      So Donny sending a card doesn’t necessarily imply a close friendship like you would expect with a typical person.

      The sad thing is that Trump’s friendship with Epstein really does seem to be one of the closest / only friendships of his adult life.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        3·
        1 day ago

        If true, the implications of that are just so fucking disgusting… Because, presumably, it’s mainly just the one thing that they have in common

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          22 hours ago

          I suppose it’s possible that Trump thought that Epstein liked “young but legal” girls. That’s who he was often seen in public with. Trump could have bonded with him over that, and never realized that Epstein also liked the ones who were too young to be legal.

          For Epstein, it would have been useful for people to know him as “that guy who likes young women, but always of legal age”. That way if someone ever spotted him with someone who looked too young, he’d have people coming to his defence saying “hey, he likes them young, but they’re always legal.”

          I’m sure there were some people who knew the truth about Epstein, but what makes the most sense to me is that there was an inner circle that participated in the sex acts with underage girls, and a much bigger outer circle who just thought he liked young women. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense to me how so many people with a lot to lose were eager to party with him and didn’t try very hard to hide it, like Bill Gates for example.

          But yeah, maybe Trump was part of the inner circle. It would hardly be shocking given what we know about him.

      • Death_Equity@lemmy.world
        21·
        1 day ago

        I think it worse than that. I don’t think Donny has had any real or close friends for most of his adult life stemming from his childhood relationships with others.

        He seems to be distrustful of anyone and can only see them for their value to his goals. Once they stop being useful or compliant, he gets rid of them or distances from them. Look at Musk, seemed real close and Donny manipulated Musk’s autistic nature as a useful tool, only to cut him loose once Musk realized the reality and wasn’t on-board anymore.

        His marriages may be evidence to support this as well. Melania was around 28 and working as a model, which is “too old” for that line of work, and she saw him as a viable means to keep her dwindling career alive. She eventually latches into him because of his connections and wealth. She was a model to hang on his arm and tolerant of his cheating enough to stick around because she had aged out of being a model and didn’t like other prospects. I suspect their marriage is open as a convenience and to avoid a divorce that would no end well for Melania and/or Trump. A marriage that is more a business partnership than a relationship of genuine love, as if Donny is even capable of genuine love.

        He probably grew up with others like him, who learned from their parents, that people are only useful to have around until they aren’t. This mirrors business relationships. Allowing for personal relationships opens you up to weakness and leverage over you, which can’t be allowed if you are to be successful.

        The business world probably reinforced his view of personal relationships. People you would consider friends may end up getting in the way of your next step, so you have to position yourself emotionally so you can cut their throat and not think twice. You may do things to better your situation that may screw over a friend directly or indirectly, can’t let your feelings get in the way of doing what must be done for your interests, if they won’t capitulate.

        Epstein was probably very useful for whatever purpose he served to Donny due to the known connections Epstein had, but problematic enough to keep a distance from. So he got a birthday card, just to keep enough of a connection should his utility become needed. I think he knew what Epstein was up to very well, but probably didn’t partake because he was/is too distrustful of anyone to allow them to get such leverage over him.

        If he has/had interests in Epstein’s products, it is more Donny’s style to use a power imbalance to get what he wanted; like getting the daughter of an illegal immigrant or a beauty pageant contestant(maybe via the overbearing mother of one living vicariously). Having Epstein arrange for something would expose Donny to manipulation and I think he would not allow for such a degree of trust in another person.

        So yeah, I don’t think he was friends with Epstein because he isn’t friends with or close to anyone.

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          1 day ago

          Epstein was probably very useful for whatever purpose he served to Donny

          Sure, but have you seen the video of Trump talking into Epstein’s ear while the two were watching cheerleaders or something. That scene genuinely seemed to be one where he was treating Epstein as a friend. I’m not sure how much Epstein thought of Trump as a friend, but it did really look like Trump wanted Epstein to be his friend at that point.

          I agree that he mostly doesn’t have friends because he sees everyone as tools to be used and discarded. That’s probably how most of them view him too, like Musk. But, I wouldn’t be surprised if Epstein was one of the few people he viewed as a friend. He knew him for at least 15 years, and with most people he’d have discarded them already.

  • merc@sh.itjust.works
    81·
    2 days ago

    and the future president’s signature is a squiggly “Donald” below her waist, mimicking pubic hair

    How long until the marching order to the MAGA influencers is: “Well, there’s proof that Trump isn’t a pedophile, if he was, why would he be doodling pubic hair?! Case Closed!”

  • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    111·
    2 days ago

    And the cheap sonofabitch, can you believe it, he pulled out a pen, scribbled over the ‘0’ from “50” and handed it to his date. Sad.