As usual, harcore leftists (LFI) and the far-right (RN)
Wait, they did this now?
In other words, those who get rubles from ruzzia.
It’s from 2022.
Did they do or are they going to do the same for Venezuela, Cuba and Iran for the US?
It’s also more than condemning the war. E.g.
- Souhaite que la France continue de prendre une part active dans le renforcement de l’autonomie stratégique de l’Europe et de la défense européenne.
It is forsighted for 2022, but it ultimately also means giving up French souvereignity for a European army.
https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/opendata/RIONANR5L16BTA0039.html
Why remind people of it now when Cuba, Iran and Venezuela show that it was posturing and that we support Ukraine for strategic reasons if not economic gains or obligations to the US and not for moral reasons or to defend international law?
I’ve a lot of gripes with LFI (notably on this point) but calling them hardcore leftist is just wrong.
Actual far left parties are NPA or LO in France.
Saying LFI is far left is like saying the german SDP or Joe Biden (US) are far left. They are left-center/left at best, their program is no more radical than Mitterant.
All the while calling RN an euphemismised “far-right” when they are quiet simply Nazis.
They are left-center/left at best,
Left of center 🤔 ?
Here is Jean-Luc Melenchon, the official leader of LFI :
“Look at what Chavez achieved in Venezuela. Our goal is to transform an angry people into a revolutionary people. Like Chavez did. This is what we want in France. What I’m pushing for”*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsCwuhXSVG4
Here is the official X account of LFI :
“Capitalism is not a system that can be regulated. Our goal is radical change”
https://x.com/FranceInsoumise/status/1958528941859422422
It’s okay to be far-left. It’s not a crime dude.
The official classification for LFI is left not far left. ( See franceinfo for exemple https://www.franceinfo.fr/elections/resultats/ where “extreme gauche” is not including LFI ) Their program is not far left and that’s what matter when observing a party that’s know to stick to it’s program before everything else.
The conseil d’etat statued as much in 2024 ( https://environnementsantepolitique.fr/2024/06/21/pour-le-conseil-detat-la-france-insoumise-nest-pas-un-parti-dextreme-gauche/ ) and that was only put into question by the Interior minister this year ( something he have no right doing but our current government wipe their asses with the constitution daily ).
Putting LFI on the same ground as RN is dangerous, one is a party made by facist and nazi that as put a new coat of paint but didn’t change and the other is a left party at best that is lead by idiots that have weird sympaties for authoritharian regimes.
The most powerful woman at LFI is Sophia Chikirou.
She paid tribute to the leader of Hamas :
She also said : “I honestly don’t believe China is a dictatorship”
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/politique/040925/l-insoumission-s-arrete-aux-frontieres-de-la-chine
That’s pretty much the far-left dude.
Actual far left parties are NPA or LO in France.
Several LFI MPs come directly from the New Anticapitalist Party (NPA)…
In fact, the leader of the NPA said : “We will likely run no candidates in the next elections. We will just endorse LFI”
It if looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, then what is it? A duck.
I am not sure you understand how ridiculous you sound.
You think someone is on the left because (checks notes…) says something about Hamas and/or China?
Are you ok?
Have people really completely lost their minds?
It’s like listening to those idiotic Americans calling everything “extreme left” while not having enough grey matter to at least lookup what extreme left used to do. Not that long ago.
Apparently asking not to be killed these days is extreme left.
Humans are so fucking stupid, it is incredible.
You think someone is on the left because (checks notes…) says somethingabout Hamas and/or China?
The traditional left doesn’t praise the leader of Hamas, China, or Venezuela
These are tankies
It seems the disagreement boils down to what position is far-left and what is moderate. It’s worth remembering that there was far-left opposition (against Russian nationalism in particular) to Bolsheviks inside the party, whom they purged in early years, labeling them bourgeois, and tried hard to suppress them from reappearing. The Bolsheviks also got popular by paying lip service to a much different agenda than they implemented, becoming in practice extremely conservative and repressing worker self-government attempts. So I wouldn’t call them far-left, a term that I’d reserve for anarchists and council communists.
Last I checked, MLs aren’t leftists. Favoring state capitalism and totalitarianism comes closer to fascism than to anything left.
China is right wing. I’m sick of everyone pretending the fake socialist Red Fascists are left wing, they never were, they just do their best to infiltrate left wing spaces such as when tbey plotted to replace MLK Jr with their own chosen figureheads in the civil rights movement.
Russia, Iran, China, Hamas: basically just MAGA in different flavors.
These are bootlicker positions, not leftist positions. I understand that there’s a lot of overlap, though.
It’s an AI bot, looking at the post history 9,9/10 chances it’s a bot.
Oui, toute personne qui a le malheur de ne pas être en accord avec toi est un bot.
Comment ça, n’es pas d’accord avec moi ? Le LFI n’est objectivement pas un parti d’extrême gauche, une erreur que seul un bot ou quelqu’un de vraiment stupide pourrait commettre. J’ai choisi l’interprétation la plus bienveillante.
