The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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  • massacre@lemmy.world
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    Ukraine is still in Europe no matter how you spin it. Russia has also invaded NATO aligned airspace, cut infrastructure lines in the ocean, likely blew up a critical fuel pipeline, continues aggressive cyber warfare, bombed a railway in Poland, and pays for bots and misinformation campaigns and supports right wing fascism in the US and EU. They rattle their nuclear sabre constantly and have also had illegal incursions across borders like Finland… Tell us again how Russia isn’t a nascent threat to all Europeans after invading a sovereign country twice, downing passenger jets and sending proxy ships for covert unconventional warfare? The EU is under attack already and at least Poland is awake to it.

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        Not accoridng to them. They rightfully consider themselves Euroasian, and a growing number of Europeans see them that way too.

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          So, it’s still in Europe. What’s your point, other then division? Stop with this us/them shit, stop supporting warmongering narratives. Geography is not interested in this bullshit and you shouldn’t be, either.

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            Russia is currently attacking a sovereign state, murdering civilians and abducting children. Defense against that is hardly warmongering. Europe did not push for it to be us/them, it was Russians who made themselves the morally corrupt ‘them’ by killing people in Europe.

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              Europe is not going to defend a sovereign state. Europe is not defending itself as you understand it. Europe consistently pushes for us/them.

              it was Russians who made themselves the morally corrupt ‘them’ by killing people in Europe.

              Geopolitics is not about morals. But I’m sure Rheinmetall is happy to hear your perspective.

              Are we the baddies?

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                Please let’s hear more about the evil arms companies from someone defending the nation where 20% of all manufacturing is arms manufacturing. The Military-Industrial Commission of Russia is happy to hear your perspective.

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                All countries are the baddies from some perspective. Russia causing millions of deaths in a war of aggression puts it way up there. Europe will do what it needs to do to defend itself. And supporting Ukraine is the most efficient way to do that right now. As well as being the morally correct thing to do. Russians can go fuck themselves as their economy slowly implodes - they deserve it.

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                  All countries are the baddies from some perspective.

                  It was an invitation to reflect your deranged yapping about what is morally correct and who deserves what. You’re basing your moral perspectives off of western propaganda and are unable to see through it, because you don’t even try. But morals, as I mentioned, are not part of the decision tree of imperial war efforts.

                  The most efficient thing to do, would be to do any and everything to stop the killing. Europe’s capitalist class is not interested in that. But me telling you that probably triggers some kind of brainrot accusation of being a Russian bot from you. Breath, don’t, I’m not, chill.

                  You sniffed the NATO stuff a bit too hard and fell off the deep end, my friend. Off to the front you go. It’s the only morally correct thing for you to do.

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                    The long term efficient thing is to support Ukraine and continue to wear down and embarrass russia. If russia is allowed to expand based on violent expansionism, it will only be encouraged to do more - and that will cost Europe more in lives and resources in the long run. Of course, they don’t want to slap russia too hard, or it might have a tantrum and escalate. So the slow bleeding off of its capabilities is the goal. It really sucks for the Ukrainians, but they clearly would rather fight it, than become part of the shithole country that russia is.